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Re: Uber Movement

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Post by jacobush »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #105
inimino wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If everyone tells you that you are wrong but doesn't care to explain in detail why, it's a hint that you might be wrong. You are not owed a valid argument just because you demand one.

I usually make a good faith assumption that folks who choose to comment on HN are seeking an intellectual discussion. But while that's a "good faith" assumption, it's not a very good prior these days. I miss the old days, when we discussed ideas even if they sounded stratnge.

Maybe you were instrumental to make the old times pass by sooner rather than later.

Re: Uber Movement

#112

Post by marklgr »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #53
djsumdog wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well except for the drivers that get paid less and less now. I mean we'll forget about all that once their self-driving vehicles start being deployed, right? Well until they kill people. I mean don't get me wrong, the data is valuable. But this is a company that constantly says "fuck you" to the law and fair work practices. Let's keep that in mind.

I mean, don't get me wrong, this civil rights movement is valuable. But this is a movement that constantly says "fuck you" to the law (c.f. Rosa Parks) and fair work practices (the civil rights movement favored a "race to the bottom" between white and negro workers). Uber is engaged in civil disobedience against unjust laws that exist to protect political insiders. When did this become a bad thing?

Endure the amount of abuse, beating and killing that the civil rights movement was about, and you can have your Uber. Is that a deal?

Re: Uber Movement

#113

Post by fpgeek »

prdonahue wrote: post #95
dtnewman wrote: post #55

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Not just wealthier [1], but also younger and more urban. People who have 25 mile commutes from the suburbs--even very wealthy suburbs--are more likely to own cars and less likely to use Uber. [1] In cities with good public transit (e.g., Boston, NYC), uber can seem more like a luxury but in cities that are very car centric (e.g., Detroit, Miami), Uber is actually cheaper than owning a car for many people. I live in M…

As a Boston native, I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment of their public transit as "good"!

I'd say the goodness of Boston's public transit depends on your comparison set. If you compare to the rest of the US, there aren't many cities with better public transit. If you compare to the rest of the world, it's another story.

Re: Uber Movement

#114

Post by yummyfajitas »

wpietri wrote: post #100
inimino wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If everyone tells you that you are wrong but doesn't care to explain in detail why, it's a hint that you might be wrong. You are not owed a valid argument just because you demand one.

So true. Random people don't owe an education to aggressive jerks, especially when they give little indication of being willing to listen.

What have I done that makes you believe I'm unwilling to listen, or that I'm an aggressive jerk?

I understand that I've expressed disagreement on a topic you consider to be a sacred value. But have I done anything beyond that?

Re: Uber Movement

#115

Post by yummyfajitas »

marklgr wrote: post #112
yummyfajitas wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, don't get me wrong, this civil rights movement is valuable. But this is a movement that constantly says "fuck you" to the law (c.f. Rosa Parks) and fair work practices (the civil rights movement favored a "race to the bottom" between white and negro workers). Uber is engaged in civil disobedience against unjust laws that exist to protect political insiders. When did this become a bad thing?

Endure the amount of abuse, beating and killing that the civil rights movement was about, and you can have your Uber. Is that a deal?

Should gay people be obligated to endure a similar level of harm to before they are allowed to marry? If not, why not?

Re: Uber Movement

#116

Post by inimino »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #105
inimino wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If everyone tells you that you are wrong but doesn't care to explain in detail why, it's a hint that you might be wrong. You are not owed a valid argument just because you demand one.

I usually make a good faith assumption that folks who choose to comment on HN are seeking an intellectual discussion. But while that's a "good faith" assumption, it's not a very good prior these days. I miss the old days, when we discussed ideas even if they sounded stratnge.

Many are seeking an intellectual discussion, but there are limits to what people are willing to explain. Sometimes it's just not worth it, and that's what the downvote button is for.

I prefer an open environment where more strange ideas can be discussed, but you also have to make a good faith effort to see where most people are coming from. The remarks you made on the civil rights movement suggest you either don't take it seriously at all, or you don't care about it at all, or you have no understanding of what things like civil disobedience actually mean. The trouble with making a good faith effort to explain all of that to you is that in the end you probably won't change your mind, because it's not like any of this information is hard to find.

Re: Uber Movement

#117

Post by Camillo »

losvedir wrote: post #51

Very interesting. I worry about a selection bias, though. Uber riders are wealthier than average, so the trips won't necessarily reflect all the commutes of those in the city. I hope this doesn't lead to just an improvement in bus routes, road construction, traffic, etc. between nicer sections of the city.

I get the impression that much of America has the opposite problem. "The bus" is seen as something for the poor, which no self-respecting middle-class person would ride. The result is more cars on the road, more pollution, and less funding for public transit, since taxpayers are less willing to subsidize a system that's not for them. In places with good public transit, it is seen a something that directly benefits everyone, and not as a welfare program.

Re: Uber Movement

#118

Post by verbify »

djsumdog wrote: post #44
pdog wrote: post #42

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It's win–win–win. If cities make improvements to their transportation infrastructure based on this data, ultimately it helps Uber deliver better service to its customers.

Well except for the drivers that get paid less and less now. I mean we'll forget about all that once their self-driving vehicles start being deployed, right? Well until they kill people. I mean don't get me wrong, the data is valuable. But this is a company that constantly says "fuck you" to the law and fair work practices. Let's keep that in mind.

There's plenty wrong with Uber. But self-driving cars killing people shouldn't be on the list - self-driving cars have the potential to save an incredible amount of lives. People will still die, but way less people.

Re: Uber Movement

#119

Post by marklgr »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #115
marklgr wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Endure the amount of abuse, beating and killing that the civil rights movement was about, and you can have your Uber. Is that a deal?

Should gay people be obligated to endure a similar level of harm to before they are allowed to marry? If not, why not?

The essence of your sophistry is to bring on highly symbolic and emotional subjects into the discussion so as to get some halo effect on your side of the argument, ala Godwin, while pretending all along to stay at the purely logical level and demanding that everyone does so, ignoring the blatant disrespect for those subjects that are orders of magnitude more important.

In that regard, the question above is just a straw man -- but since you asked, many gays already had to suffer harm, beating and death in the recent history, so even that straw man is moot.

Re: Uber Movement

#120

Post by xyzzy123 »

Camillo wrote: post #117
losvedir wrote: post #51

Very interesting. I worry about a selection bias, though. Uber riders are wealthier than average, so the trips won't necessarily reflect all the commutes of those in the city. I hope this doesn't lead to just an improvement in bus routes, road construction, traffic, etc. between nicer sections of the city.

I get the impression that much of America has the opposite problem. "The bus" is seen as something for the poor, which no self-respecting middle-class person would ride. The result is more cars on the road, more pollution, and less funding for public transit, since taxpayers are less willing to subsidize a system that's not for them. In places with good public transit, it is seen a something that directly benefits ev…

I went to LA and took the bus from the airport to the city (my default transit choice when there isn't a train). I had a pleasant ride but I was surprised to find that I was the only white person on a maybe half-full bus. I haven't encountered this kind of self-segregation on public transport anywhere else in the world before or since.
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