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Critiques of the DHS and FBI’s Grizzly Steppe Report

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the internal politics of the DNC ...which is not actually part of the government. I expect political parties to have internal politicking, which is somewhat bad. But ultimately parties are private organizations that are subject to quite different laws and obligations than parts of the government.

I'm going to disagree. Both Republican and Democratic parties are effectively part of the government. If you get legalistic, you've got me, legally they're not. But the too-entrenched-to-fail nature of the two parties makes them part of the government. I'll give the example of the Colorado gubernatorial election in 2012. The Republican status quo candidate totally flamed out in the primaries, leaving a weird, not-qui…

I half agree, but, I'll make 3 (super brief) counter-arguments.

a. Democrats and Republicans are guided by very different moral philosophies - the kind of thing that courts eschew dealing with as 'political questions' because which one you plump for depends less on reasoned argument than on which basic premises you adhere to. As inherently political entities, it's irrational to demand they hew to some objective standard of political behavior as if there were a knowable truth of conduct that transcended politics.

b. Fringe parties are always running colorful candidates for high-visibility executive positions and then complaining than the system is exclusionary when they inevitably fail against better funded and organized opponents from parties with long track records (whether or not you approve, at least you sorta know what you're gonna get). This is a crap strategy and the idea that the fringe party should get some sort of help in the next election cycle for having shown in a previous one is mystifying to me.

The path to power in the US is through legislative capture. That's how the Tea Party hijacked the GOP - not spontaneously but as the culmination of a long, focused effort. Conservatives chose to worth within the framework of an existing party. Leftists have attempted to do the same in the Democratic party but frankly they're not that good at entryism as a political tactic, lack a coherent alternative to liberal capitalism, and so end up demanding change while being unable to articulate a plan for how to achieve it. You will see a redoubling and refinement of these effort sin the next few years. but if you don't want to work within an existing party, then the next best thing is a party that focuses on legislative representation like the Working Families Party, whose principles I only partly agree with but whose tactical instincts are excellent.

c. Brokerage (as in back-room political favor-trading and negotiation) is an unavoidable components of representative democracy and wishing it away is like asking it to only rain at night. If you want to change this then you need to think about changing the basis of of the political system itself. For example, one could have election by sortilege, where legislators were chosen involuntarily, like jury service. Or we could move away from producing laws like books authored by committee and adopt Wikiism, such that instead of legislative debates we have edit wars on the legal corpus. The main problem with Wikiism (or Social Coding or Participativism or some similar autology) is that implementation in the real world lacks authoritative grounding or operational consistency, which is probably why you don't see many corporations using this model to carry on business.

Re: Critiques of the DHS and FBI’s Grizzly Steppe Report

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Seems to me that the DNC had really sloppy security and that many groups could have compromised their servers. If the government has proof that Russian actors did so, they do not appear to have any proof that the info was used maliciously. The whole report, and media coverage, and statements by public officials are so confused and confusing that they are useless in regards to security. I have to compare this to the F…

Such federal standards have existed for decades now. Have you heard of the NIST Special Publication 800 series? They are quite comprehensive, although prohibitively complex for smaller agencies to implement stand-alone.

Re: Critiques of the DHS and FBI’s Grizzly Steppe Report

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Obviously the pizzagate stuff is stupid and unfounded. It does a great disservice to people that were victims of real sexual abuse. But can't you see the vast amount of corruption? The DNC rigged the primary for one candidate. We need to hold our political parties accountable for their actions.

>The DNC rigged the primary for one candidate. Clearly there were people within the DNC who preferred clinton, but in what sense did they rig the vote? See: http://electionado.com/canvas/1478880826459

There was a conflict of interest between the top election official for Brooklyn and a "Clinton Super-delegate" http://reverbpress.com/politics/battlegrounds/ny-poll-worker...

Whatever the case was, 126K Brooklyn-based democrats were unable to cast votes in the primary http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/officials-investigating-...

Brooklyn is one of the parts of the NYC area that have ultra liberal demographics, so one could draw the conclusion that Brooklyn's voting power would have tipped the NY primary towards Sanders.

Re: Critiques of the DHS and FBI’s Grizzly Steppe Report

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I've seen the information, none of it represents anything they took action on. It's grasping at straws.

I'm not sure how to make my statements any clearer. I've even added emphasis to attempt to do so. The actions known about and discussed by which people are upset were actions within the DNC. Given that an action is something a person does, the content of the pre-convention leaked emails, and the act of writing and discussing the contents of those emails , constitutes actions within the DNC . You're attempting to dism…

>the content of the pre-convention leaked emails

Such as? Further, one person leaking emails is a far cry from "the DNC" being against him. You cannot blame the organization for actions of individuals.

>act of writing and discussing the contents of those emails

But it is absurd to be upset by internal discussions that resulted in no action against the Sander's campaign. When I ask for what action the DNC took as an organization, it is in this manner that I am asking the question. Internal emails does not constitute "actively working against the Sanders campaign". Such a characterization is blatant dishonesty.

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