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ReMarkable Paper Tablet

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Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

#111
post #99

I was sold until this line: "Your thoughts, whether they’re words or sketches, are instantly synced to reMarkable’s cloud service" Imagine for a company only five years back to literally say that your thoughts are sent to their server. I welcome any product that understand we need less distractions and less help from so-called AI, but there are many reasons to be cautious about this one (preorder, latency claim and l…

Yup. I want to be able to run the cloud service on my own hardware. Now, if they offered actually-secure client-side encryption (with no backdoors or sidechannels to strip said encryption, unlike e.g. Mozilla do with their accounts), then I might still be interested, but I'd still rather run it on my own hosts.

What's the issue with Mozilla?

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

#112
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see myself being in the target market (sw/hw developer) - while much of my day-to-day work takes place on a computer, I still rely on pen and paper for early sketches/brainstorming and the like, leading to an office with (quite literally!) hundreds of notebooks on the shelves. If it feels sufficiently paper-y to write on and PDF exporting is seamless-y and with at least a rudimentary tagging function, I'd proba…

Interesting. I'm actually envisioning this being a great tool for academic research.

Yes, having .pdf versions of papers, that you could annotate would be very cool.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

#113
post #34
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we turn off the sync to cloud?

Good point, we'll keep it in mind

I have to concur with the others. Sync to the cloud is pretty much the last feature I would want; that would make this device forbidden by default without IT approval in pretty much any business or other professional environment I can think of. Imagine if a doctor bought one and took notes on your device. Is your cloud storage solution HIPAA compliant?

Save the notes to local storage and let me transfer them to a computer locally.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

#114

For those feeling the impulse to empty their wallets, I urge caution. I just got done being burned by the kickstarter for the goodreader equivalent. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/13-3-inch-android-e-reade... I see no evidence that the team behind this "remarkable" product has ever completed anything of this scale. Some of the claims are very suspicious. https://liliputing.com/2016/11/remarkable-10-3-inch-writing…

> After a few trials I measured an approximate latency for the iPad Pro of roughly 49ms or 3 frames of delay,

From your linked article, the iPad is faster than you say. This is also in the Photoshop Sketch app. It's faster in other apps.

> To give an idea for how much the application has an effect on latency, the Apple Notes app has roughly 38 ms or around 2 frames of latency from when the stylus tip passes over one point to when the inking reaches the same point.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

#115

I was sold until this line: "Your thoughts, whether they’re words or sketches, are instantly synced to reMarkable’s cloud service" Imagine for a company only five years back to literally say that your thoughts are sent to their server. I welcome any product that understand we need less distractions and less help from so-called AI, but there are many reasons to be cautious about this one (preorder, latency claim and l…

Yes, syncing to Dropbox, Google Drive, Box or OneDrive would be more confidence-inspiring.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

#116
post #25

For those who really want a PDF annotator, Sony sells a large mostly-equivalent of this, there's the Sony DPT-S1 https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-DPTS1/?PID=I:digitalpa... This is a pro device, costs almost $1000. I don't own one but a friend does... it's very magical looking, and feels nice for the 2 minutes I used it.

Yeah I wish I had one. It looks discontinued though https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Sony-Digital-Paper-DPTS1-4...

It sucks that you can buy a large tablet for $50 but epaper is so expensive.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

#117

This is a lot closer, but still too far off the mark. It's still orders of magnitude inferior in terms of lag, convenience, and reliability, while being orders of magnitude more expensive. Thinking about the iPhone briefly, I think the Steve Jobs formula is to wait until the device can be less than an order of magnitude more expensive, only half as convenient, and about as reliable as the thing it's displacing. I'm a…

Does that formula, beyond being about as reliable, apply to the iPhone? It seemed the gate was if it was much more convenient.

The iPhone was much more convenient in a new context: having access to your data in your pocket, all the time. It was a worse cellphone, with regards to charging and call reception. However, it was good enough as a cellphone, and it enabled something else.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

#118
post #102

Wow, the latency looks really bad. You would think that by August 2017 we would be down to sub-frame latency for stylus input. At this point, I would rather use a stylus with a cord if it meant shaving off 10ms. As is, it's just unusable. I know for people that have been in the tablet-input world for a while, 50ms sounds reasonable, but hand this to a kid, and they'll start drawing all over the screen, waiting for th…

What if the display sub system organized the screen into partitions and prioritized the redraws based on which partition the input was happening in? If that's where the eye is focused, then maybe any artifact from refresh-neglect in the periphery would go unnoticed.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

#119

For those feeling the impulse to empty their wallets, I urge caution. I just got done being burned by the kickstarter for the goodreader equivalent. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/13-3-inch-android-e-reade... I see no evidence that the team behind this "remarkable" product has ever completed anything of this scale. Some of the claims are very suspicious. https://liliputing.com/2016/11/remarkable-10-3-inch-writing…

I'll bite... their claim of 55ms is most likely for a tiny region to be updated. It is not for the whole screen. You'll notice in their video that full page updates are still slow.

I've worked w/ e-ink technology and designed similar hardware before. Here is how they work:

You scan across the matrix, setting the row/column multiplexer to the dots you want and flip the dots between black and white as needed. This flip is a physical process and has an inherent latency. You can't move to the next pixel until you've finished flipping this one.

The flipping process is basically applying a high positive or negative voltage to the tiny plate under the pixel, which causes either the positive or negative side (black or white) of the embedded dot to show. The amount of voltage you apply determines the intensity. If you want crisp edges and accurate shades of gray then the voltage also depends on manufacturing characteristics of that specific panel. E-Ink actually gives you a waveform for each panel they hip, and that waveform is also temperature dependant -- because the liquid the dots are suspended in changes viscosity based on temp.

So you can do a bit of simple calculation and determine the voltage to go from say 25% gray to 55% gray. This is faster because normally you'd go to either black or white and then to your target shade. This is why you see that screen "flashing" when there is a full page change.

To bring it all back... if you only need to update a small region, say the area around the tip of the pixel, you can do so relatively quickly -- compared to the whole screen -- hence their 55ms claim.

Personally, I noticed a fair bit of latency in their video.

As an experiment for a previous project we rolled our own FPGA based driver and were able to get small region update down to about 20ms.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Tablet

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we don't intend to release the magic sauce that makes the latency goes down. Ok. > what I meant with hackable is that I've wanted an e-paper device which I could run my own code on, without having to look for security holes in the software running on it. If your software is closed source, then I don't understand how anyone other than you effectively (or practically) would be able to solve or fix any security holes.…

> If your software is closed source, then I don't understand how anyone other than you effectively (or practically) would be able to solve or fix any security holes. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant that for pretty much all current e-paper devices you aren't able to get access to run your own code unless you find a security hole that you can exploit to gain access. And sorry about the strawman, it wasn't intended…

> I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant that for pretty much all current e-paper devices you aren't able to get access to run your own code unless you find a security hole that you can exploit to gain access.

Ok. That helps clarify things.

But on your website, you do not state that your device will permit flashing "your own code". Your website somewhat implies the opposite, it says:

" DO YOU PROVIDE THE REMARKABLE WITH A SDK FOR CUSTOM DEVELOPMENT? The reMarkable will not initially ship with an officially supported SDK. We might however release an unsupported SDK for best developers. "

Could you clarify what "might" and "best developers" means? In multiple comments, you somewhat imply capabilities and features of the product with terms like "hackable" and "run your own code". Perhaps you could put an explicit statement on your website clarifying your position to match your comments.

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