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Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by ebrenes »

Bartweiss wrote: post #100
ceejayoz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube still takes down videos, comments, channels, etc., and restricts others by age/country/etc.

Sure, but that's within safe harbor rules. If they went and moderated content and comments in a non-reactive way, say by banning commenters whose opinions they found incorrect, that would be legal but could jeopardize their safe harbor status.

YouTube completely censors material, here's a list of the actions they've undertaken: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_YouTube

And as it states there, they also have censorship based on their terms of service, where they prohibit the posting of videos which violate copyrights or depict pornography, illegal acts, gratuitous violence, or hate speech.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by jjawssd »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #94
jjawssd wrote: post #57

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Spez has already weighted that subreddit so it rarely shows up on the front page. Why hasn't he outright deleted the subreddit?

Weighted? No, they changed it against single subreddits dominating in general .

Nope, just t_d now. He completely banned it from r/all

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by MK999 »

jjawssd wrote: post #46
MK999 wrote: post #36

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Just a modern day book burning by the tolerant Left. Where's all those people around here that quote (the illogical expression) "I don't agree with you but I'll die for your right to say it" I guess that's just an bad faith argument to be used when convenient.

What's wrong with that? You aren't entitled to freedom of expression on any particular platform run by a private entity. Freedom of expression only applies to the government.

Many Internet users in the US use Comcast. What if they implemented some kind of packet inspection, applying your principles you should have no issue with that.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by walrus01 »

vectorpush wrote: post #29

Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. For several years now I've seen this non-stop obsession with lambasting reddit as a shit-hole and a left-wing echo-chamber and a shit company run by amateurs and SJWs. Who cares? The overwhelming majority of redditors subsist on photos of animals and drawings of video game characters. Just leave if reddit isn't friendly to your p…

alt-right assholes can learn how to run their own httpd and forum software... Nothing but technical knowledge of how to do so properly is stopping people from renting a $150/mo dedicated server and setting it up.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by chiefalchemist »

The question is: Does "stopping" the speech encourage or mitigate IRL behavior / action?

In addition, forcing ideas underground will likely strengthen the will and beliefs of the hardcore believers. That is, when you marginalize those who profess to be marginalized, you run the risk of enabling them.

Sucks being Reddit but it might actually be all for the better, as ugly as it is.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by [deleted] »

fao_ wrote: post #25
67726e wrote: post #2

Everyone I don't like is Hitler!

You know? The only people I see spouting antisemitic comments turn out to be from the alt-right, or more correctly, fascist movement. If your movement is based upon, and shares many, many ideals with (Or contains people with) both fascist philosophies, and movements such as the neo-nazis, the KKK, etc. then it is correct to put you under that banner, no? The problem is, these philosophies are adopted because they are…

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Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by inimino »

mozumder wrote: post #30
ideonexus wrote: post #24

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Ironic that you've made this comment on HackerNews, a site, it can be argued, whose appeal comes from its pretty substantial moderation. I can't tell you how many links I've seen flagged and banished from HN that I thought were important, but... once I cooled down my outrage, I realized the conversations occurring on them were pretty toxic. I come to HN because of the focus and constructive dialogue. I stay away from…

Twitter's become absolutely toxic as well. It's gone insane. They really need to get rid of the Trumpian right-wingers from that platform or it'll end up being harmful to their business. No advertiser is interested in putting out their message right where a random guy can immediately reply with "LIAR!" for everyone to see.

The trouble with Twitter is there are no downvotes.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by fao_ »

Shanea93 wrote: post #89
fao_ wrote: post #87

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> All they should care about it is "is this illegal?" In many countries, the UK included, many of the posts on the fascist subreddits are illegal. > But why should we not fight for them? Because the value of life should be held to higher value than the 'destruction of free speech' (Except Reddit isn't doing anything to their free speech, they're denying them a platform. Which is objectively different). These people q…

I live in the UK and wholly agree, the Public Order Act 1986 makes it very clear where it stands on hate speech, and yet I disagree with it, the same as I feel about the Snoopers Charter and other such laws. Freedom of speech should be granted regardless of who is offended by your speech, you should have the right to say exactly what you want, I have the right to think you're a dick head for saying it, but you should…

> The trick behind it is that your speech here may be offensive to the far-right, does that mean that you would be okay if they passed a law saying it was illegal?

The fundamental difference is that I am not calling for the extermination or genocide of a group of people.

Speech like that isn't simply 'offensive', in the same way that one person wanting to kill someone else isn't a simple 'disagreement'.

Death threats are illegal in the UK, for the simple reason that it causes severe trauma to receive a large amount of them. Calling for the death of a group of people is just as bad. I honestly suspect you would live differently knowing that a large vocal group wants to exterminate people with a trait you carry.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by dang »

jjawssd wrote: post #34
chrisrhoden wrote: post #16

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Reddit is under no obligation to support, nurture, or pay for the resources required to keep this up. They are under no obligation to implicitly condone this content, as they have taken on an editorial role in the past and now anything they don't ban is in contrast to those things they have. As you pointed out, it's the web. There are many web hosts that will refuse you service for hosting pornography. That doesn't p…

Why isn't Spez able to arbitrarily delete subreddits? Why isn't Twitter starting mass deportations? I don't see any reason for them to wait. They can get started right away. It's easy to write a regex that identifies Trump supporters and eliminates their accounts quickly. Why haven't we started yet?

Please stop posting unsubstantive comments to HN.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by jjawssd »

dang wrote: post #119
jjawssd wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't Spez able to arbitrarily delete subreddits? Why isn't Twitter starting mass deportations? I don't see any reason for them to wait. They can get started right away. It's easy to write a regex that identifies Trump supporters and eliminates their accounts quickly. Why haven't we started yet?

Please stop posting unsubstantive comments to HN.

Will do sir
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