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Re: Tesla ‘Easter Egg’ Makes the Fast-Accelerating Model S Even Faster

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Uhh... I'm pretty sure vehicle safety improvements have more to do with that than anything.

Which are enacted largely through legislation.

Crumple zones, seat belts, and air bags are a far cry from setting hard limits on performance characteristics of the vehicle, even if those same requirements may have had a negligible impact on vehicle performance.

I guess the question is where the line is drawn between sensible and "nanny-state" regulation.

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> The Veyron has a range of 50 miles at top speed, for example. That top speed being 250mph. Who drives 50 miles at 250mph? And where do they do it? And, more importantly, they can refill in the blink of an eye and travel 50 more.

Well, if you have to refuel every eight minutes, then the time to fill up becomes quite relevant. Not to mention that the main problem will be tyres, as those likely won't do a whole lot of miles at such speeds. Qoute: " In testing Michelin had run the Veyron’s massive meats on its tire dyno at 270 mph — the fastest it can spin — for 20 seconds, then at 250 mph for 20 seconds. It repeated that cycle two more times. T…

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sigh. knee-jerk reaction to ban dangerous things. first of all, a minivan can kill you doing 10mph. second, cars with this much power (and more importantly, top speed), have been around for a long time. you can build an 8-second quarter mile car in your garage and drive it on the street. more nanny-state nonsense. "think of the children".

That "nanny state nonsense" witnessed road deaths fall from 25 per 100K in 1930 to 10 per 100K since 2010. We've halved road deaths per every 100K of population! I'll take my nanny state nonsense where people are still alive, over the libertarian wet dream where they're dead. I really think it boils down to that some people value their own personal enjoyment over other people's safety. The sad truth is that you could…

Your reasoning is extremely flawed. We have fewer deaths on the road because we added safety features and have road features designed to address what caused accidents in the past. Newer cars have way more horsepower and acceleration than in the past, yet deaths have gone down. You are arguing for something different, arbitrarily restricting acceleration.

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That "nanny state nonsense" witnessed road deaths fall from 25 per 100K in 1930 to 10 per 100K since 2010. We've halved road deaths per every 100K of population! I'll take my nanny state nonsense where people are still alive, over the libertarian wet dream where they're dead. I really think it boils down to that some people value their own personal enjoyment over other people's safety. The sad truth is that you could…

Uhh... I'm pretty sure vehicle safety improvements have more to do with that than anything.

And obviously we all drive much much faster on average than people did in the 1930s, yet we are much much safer.

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Which are enacted largely through legislation.

Crumple zones, seat belts, and air bags are a far cry from setting hard limits on performance characteristics of the vehicle, even if those same requirements may have had a negligible impact on vehicle performance. I guess the question is where the line is drawn between sensible and "nanny-state" regulation.

to me, the rule of thumb is: does this regulation encourage innovation, or curtail it? it isn't black or white, but i think it brings it into focus a bit more.

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Top speed is a different beast altogether than acceleration, and I doubt you drive 200mph on public streets.

certainly not 200mph, but he i'm betting he breaks the speed limit. should we ban cars that go above 65mph? on second thought, never mind, i probably know your answer. "ban everything dangerous until there's no possible way anyone can get hurt" is not what freedom is.

should people have freedom to drive however they want, on roads used by plenty of other people too?

that seems like a good way to increase road fatalities

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"the old 0-60 time" The _current_ 0-60 time, you mean. Especially with this: "And Tesla only compares with cars currently in production." considering this is only a teaser tweet, there's a slight hint of irony there. "Currently in production" is also very different from "fastest production cars". Very selective. This happened last time Tesla announced something like this - people fell over themselves to install it in…

One of the meanings of "old" is "former or previous." And I see no irony. The teaser tweet is stated using the future tense. It will be the fastest car in production once it comes, unless some other car maker has a big surprise between now and then. As for the Wikipedia stuff, I offer no defense of it, but I'm not surprised. Wikipedia suffers from plenty of fanboyism.

"We don't compare against cars not currently in production. Our car, not currently in production, is faster."

But it's not the biggest thing in the world. :)

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Cars that can go this fast or close enough have been around for decades.

Indeed. But people who own supercars and other kit cars capable of such feats were rare and expensive. Electric vehicles are going to take something, once rare, and make it common. Once it becomes common, the accident incidents will be more than just statistical noise, and legislative action may follow. The NHTSA and FMCSA are currently working on a proposal for large commercial vehicles that would artificially limit…

The point is not that they're more common. Anyone that has wanted a fast car in the last 60 years could either buy or build one. Even a regular old car is plenty enough to kill yourself and plenty of other people if you're reckless enough. Besides that, it's much easier to create a stupidly dangerous car through sheer neglect of tires/brakes than to actually buy one that way.

Your argument is comparable to banning sharp knives because someone started selling them cheaper than butter knives. Both types have always been sufficiently available and dangerous that making one more common than the other isn't going to change anything

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One of the meanings of "old" is "former or previous." And I see no irony. The teaser tweet is stated using the future tense. It will be the fastest car in production once it comes, unless some other car maker has a big surprise between now and then. As for the Wikipedia stuff, I offer no defense of it, but I'm not surprised. Wikipedia suffers from plenty of fanboyism.

"We don't compare against cars not currently in production. Our car, not currently in production, is faster." But it's not the biggest thing in the world. :)

Replace "is" with "will be" and the strangeness goes away.

There's also the weird aspect that the car itself has been sold for months, they'll just become faster once the update hits.

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certainly not 200mph, but he i'm betting he breaks the speed limit. should we ban cars that go above 65mph? on second thought, never mind, i probably know your answer. "ban everything dangerous until there's no possible way anyone can get hurt" is not what freedom is.

should people have freedom to drive however they want, on roads used by plenty of other people too? that seems like a good way to increase road fatalities

it's already illegal to do what you're describing. let me repeat that, for effect: already. illegal. it's against the law. you will literally be arrested and go to jail if you do that.

but don't let that stop you from passing 20 more laws, and then banning people from driving altogether after you realize that, as it turns out, criminals don't follow the law.

which is already happening, just look at the autonomous driving effort. which i'm sure makes you very happy. soon, nobody will drive, we will all be living in a perfect harmonious utopia of robotic sentience.

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