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Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It sounds a lot like all the people that bash StackOverflow - "It's just posts and a voting system, I could write that in a week!", ignoring all the complexity and design behind it, operating at scale and cultivating the environment. If people need something to be 'amazing' not to put it down, and 'amazing' doesn't include doing the right things to be highly successful... If no one else did it, was it really so obvio…

Microsoft has a well regarded developer network and Q&A system regarding Microsoft technologies, at least in my (limited to primarily Azure) experience. Similarly, Microsoft has already operated a widely used integrated chat, profile, and community system at scale. Given their recent pushes, it wouldn't be entirely surprising for them to bring back similar platforms for business users integrated with LinkedIn. That w…

For enterprise companies that already use a lot of MS services, and which have tight security policies on what software can be used/licensed/installed, an MS Slack clone could be a wonderful thing for employees.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

> Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room

I'd like to see them succeed with skype first. I still can't message someone using a mac from a pc...

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

Time to update the old canard. "If you could have invented Slack... you would have invented Slack." Execution is everything.

Yea, but at the same time I don't want to spend my life evangelizing chat software as revolutionizing how business is done. The business reminds me more of a lifestyle magazine than anything.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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post #39

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Adding a backlog to IRC is something that has been around almost as long as IRC. Bots to sit in channels to passively log; bots which act to send messages to people who are presently offline, at the time at which they come online again; and so on. Adding a log to IRC isn't particularly innovative. Slack's value is almost entirely in its user engagement, not its technology.

As far as I know, all the pieces to make Slack have been around for a while. But nobody ever put them together properly. So the fact that all the pieces existed doesn't count for very much in the end. Nor was it obvious that if someone put it together properly it would achieve commercial success. I was theoretically in the right place at the right time to have put together something like Slack at my job, but there wa…

What people are saying is that not only have the pieces to make Slack been around for awhile, but IRC has implemented those pieces successfully for 20 years.

The only "innovation" Slack provided was the UI, and that's textbook "bad startup idea", because of how easy it is for someone else to step into the space.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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When Steve Jobs "Welcomed IBM" with a full page ad, it was fun. It fit the vibe of who he was and the slightly rebellious marketing campaigns Apple was running. Slack's "Welcome Microsoft" letter felt weird. It felt disconnected from the company and product many of us love and use every day. Might have been stronger to silently add a feature to Slack that lets you communicate with Microsoft Team's members.

Slack's letter appears to betray defensiveness and fear of competition, rather than a tongue-in-cheek attitude like Apple's ad did. I think that's why it seems weird.

It doesn't help that the snark from the CEO was awkward too:

https://twitter.com/stewart/status/793969175807098881

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

"So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky." If only luck made slack, then doesn't that mean Microsoft will need to be equally lucky to succeed?

Software development is to Microsoft what olive oil importation was to the Corleone family: yes, it's their business and they're good at it, but no, it's not exactly how they got rich.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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post #48

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They better, because if they try to adapt skype for business (a.k.a lync), they'll fail miserably. That app was terrible

Lync, was the that the app whose Mac client I've never seen run without crashing shortly after startup, on multiple machines across multiple companies? That's right, I've never successfully used the Mac Lync client to send a message, despite having it installed on probably three or four machines over time. That's not to say that Slack doesn't have a lot to worry about. But competition from Lync, or whatever the hell…

I use their Mac client just fine...

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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post #112
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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

> Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room I'd like to see them succeed with skype first. I still can't message someone using a mac from a pc...

Skype for business is a train wreck I'd rather see them abandon that and work on something new.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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post #60

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Have you ever looked at Discord? Slack isn't the only choice if you want a nice UI that works on all of your devices. https://discordapp.com/

No, but from looking at it now that's likely because they've targeted themselves towards more informal (game) voice chat. It actually looks like it could be a good contender in this space if they decided to not only compare themselves to voice chat systems[1] (Skype, Ventrilo, Teamspeak), and didn't specifically market to gamers. That is, assuming the service is good, since I haven't tried it. 1: https://discordapp.c…

It works very well in the context of games. Skype can can awkward for gaming and Vent/Teamspeak require someone to pay for a dedicated server (not an issue for the HN crowd, but for your typical gamer it is). Discord is free, has better audio quality than other services (in my opinion), in-game overlays, the ability to connect to multiple servers/groups at once...it's pretty slick. I think they would do well to continue focusing on the gamer market.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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The essential issue here is this - starting with the Fortune 500, how far down the business size stack do you have to go before this question stops being a laughing out loud no-brainer:

  "Shall we buy more-or-less the same chat application 
  from Microsoft or Slack?"
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