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FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by ls66 »

__abc wrote: post #70
woodruffw wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may be so, but it doesn't change the fact that HRC (or Trump, for that matter) should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. As it currently stands, an indictment hasn't even been recommended . Under such circumstances, the exposure of a search for a smoking gun is suspect.

It's tough and I don't think it's so black and white, and ultimately depends on "exactly" what they found. Waiting until after seems wrong, and I say this as someone who as it stands is voting for HRC. I honestly don't view this as influence, and more covering his ass, which has me nervous for HRC.

Not to mention that waiting until after means she controls informally if not formally many of the levers that would be used in the investigation. Can a sitting president be trusted not to interfere in any way possible in an investigation that would take from her her highest life's goal? It gets very muddled.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by aaron-lebo »

okreallywtf wrote: post #95
cmsimike wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always voted democrat as "the lesser of two evils" but this email situation has really ruffled my feathers (and is why I am voting third party). I get that there is favoritism in everything, but the idea that Hillary (at least before looked like she) walked away scott-free after committing what I believe to be a very serious crime whereas any one of us in a similar situation would have been thrown in jail right…

While I get this sentiment, I would honestly like to know if you feel she has been judged fairly and consistently compared to other email related scandals out there. Most notably the bush white house emails [1] and Colin Powell's use of a personal email account (if not a personal server, though in some ways using an AOL email server has other complications over a private server)[2] I'm not saying the email scandal is…

Other politicians wished they were held to the same standard as the Clintons.

The Bush admin had plenty of other controversies and they were reamed by the media repeatedly for those (and justifiably so). It's not like it was hands off.

Maybe this is a bigger issue because of the continued lying about what happened, which is an ongoing issue for Clinton.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by maxerickson »

yolesaber wrote: post #99
hooph00p wrote: post #84

I'm disappointed to see this sort of hysteria and conspiracy theorizing in a HN comment section.

"we need to clean this up" ~ Podesta https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/31077

Political people say "clean this up" about anything they don't want in the media. Anything. Everything.

(I know this because I over consume political news media and they have adopted it as a term; it's really horrifying, they talk about the campaigns attempting to manipulate them instead of doing real analysis)

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by jonknee »

koolba wrote: post #108
gthtjtkt wrote: post #41

As much as I would like this to be true, I think that's a pretty biased interpretation of his letter. My reading would be this: "We found some new emails. They're relevant, but we don't know if they're important. We're looking into it." What I find interesting is the timing of this letter and, possibly, the fact that he wrote it at all . But we can't judge the significance of those without knowing if this is standard…

> What I find interesting is the timing of this letter and, possibly, the fact that he wrote it at all. But we can't judge the significance of those without knowing if this is standard procedure. For all we know, he may regularly send letters that say things like "I spelled a word wrong on page 875 of our report. Agents are looking into correcting it and resubmitting the report." > Or this type of letter could be hig…

> I can't imagine Comey sending that letter out this close to the election without having something actionable. He knows full well the impact that even the allegation that something is there would have.

He apparently was legally required to because he previously testified that everything had been looked out. There is now more to look at. This was a savvy move by Rep Chaffetz, not a strategy by Comey (Chaffetz is also who characterized it as being re-opened, Comey said no such thing).

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by [deleted] »

woodruffw wrote: post #29

I find Comey's decision to disclose this new investigation less than 2 weeks from election day extremely perplexing. By all means, perform your investigation, but to announce it immediately before what's arguably one of the most important elections in modern US history? If I were a paranoid man, I'd say that this looks like an attempt by an unelected official to prejudice voters.

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Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by danenania »

Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways.

But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society.

Honestly, I hate to say this, but we are past the point of laws here and the fairy tale than ANY sufficiently powerful person will be held accountable for their misdeeds. I've never been one to buy the two-party lesser of evils narrative, but we are really and truly at the edge of the cliff right now. Do we let righteous indignation push us over the edge? Or do we live to fight another day?

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by ethanbond »

cmdrfred wrote: post #101
michaelmrose wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voting for trump has got to be more loathsome to most that putting up with Clinton's shenanigans.

It seems few people are actually voting for Clinton, but rather voting against Trump. What is something like this leaves such a bad taste in their mouth that they decide to not vote at all?

This is definitely the risk. Especially with so many Dems saying "no one cares."

People do care; the way for leftists (like myself) to show that they care is by simply abstaining or going third party which would obviously cripple her.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by koolba »

jonknee wrote: post #114
koolba wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What I find interesting is the timing of this letter and, possibly, the fact that he wrote it at all. But we can't judge the significance of those without knowing if this is standard procedure. For all we know, he may regularly send letters that say things like "I spelled a word wrong on page 875 of our report. Agents are looking into correcting it and resubmitting the report." > Or this type of letter could be hig…

> I can't imagine Comey sending that letter out this close to the election without having something actionable. He knows full well the impact that even the allegation that something is there would have. He apparently was legally required to because he previously testified that everything had been looked out. There is now more to look at. This was a savvy move by Rep Chaffetz, not a strategy by Comey (Chaffetz is also…

> (Chaffetz is also who characterized it as being re-opened, Comey said no such thing).

I think there's a technical correctness to that. The FBI won't look into anything if there isn't an open investigation. So it'd have to be re-opened for them to look into it.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by ls66 »

trendia wrote: post #53
Alex3917 wrote: post #10

The real question is whether this is because of the KimDotCom tweet, or whether it's related to something in the Podesta emails or otherwise.

It would be rather funny if America's justice system is so inefficient that one agency would have all of the evidence necessary for an investigation and another would fail to at least ask for it .

Career government officials are not likely to be activist about investigations. As with Clinton's denials, which are very passive and "I didn't know" or didn't question something, one can cover oneself very well by simply not offering anything or refusing to ask for something. Sins of omission are much harder to prosecute.
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