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Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by adviceadam »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #19

Hopefully this will actually work in all countries; I'd love to save videos for offline viewing while I have a wifi connection and watch them later when I don't. But that would compete with "YouTube Red". For that matter, since an offline video eliminates the buffering problem, I'd love to have the "playback speed" feature in the mobile app. The web version of YouTube supports changing the playback speed to 1.25x, 1.…

Self promotion, but I recently wrote an iOS app that allows you to download YouTube videos for offline use and play them in the background. Unfortunately not on the App Store, but you can still put it on your device through Xcode.

Link: https://github.com/MrAdamBoyd/DownTube

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by skylarsch »

teach wrote: post #56
ksk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I don't think adding a button or two is some fundamental change that requires 10 meetings with 2 designers and 5 developers. They're already streaming the video data, just save it to a file in addition/option to rendering it. They can already play video data, just play it from the file instead of streaming it.

In my opinion, default offline vs default online is a HUGE architectural difference. You could probably try to hack it into the existing player, but it wouldn't work well. A ground-up rewrite wouldn't surprise me at all for such a change.

The YouTube app proper can play offline videos already. The catch is, you have to have a YouTube Red subscription.

I don't think it's a technical issue at all, but a "people pay for this feature wherever YouTube Red is available" issue.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by bitwize »

Holy shit you guys, some people actually use our apps from devices lacking an always-on connection! This is the revolution that will give rise to Web 4.0 -- apps that can work without the internet! It'll be the biggest thing since the recent development of Web pages that automatically reconfigure to fit different screen sizes!

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by rtpg »

amelius wrote: post #37

The next generation will want to download the video and store it, just in case it gets pulled because of content owner rights.

I get your point, but I wonder how much YouTube content gets watched by the same person multiple times.

Like how long does a single person care about a video? Vlogs are pretty "read once"

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by angry-hacker »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #101
erikpukinskis wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The policy wasn't universally mocked. Maybe you're in some specific subcommunity, but browse around a little. The opinion I heard most was that the policy is understandable (there is such a thing as advertiser-unfriendly content) but people want more transparency from YouTube so they can work the system effectively.

That's true, but the point that many made (and is correct) is that many forms of content cannot be advertised upon under the new policy. In fact, depending upon how YouTube interprets the policy, they can probably block monetization on any video they want, and still claim to be merely enforcing the policy. Finally, it's quite unlikely that this policy will be implemented fairly. If you want evidence, merely know that…

That always amazes me how pop music passes it.

Search for rap song Coco. It's about being love with cocaine and violence and it shows me Kia car ads with families before the video. And some semi amateur authors who TALKED about true crime events were banned from the YouTube adsense partnership.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by krisroadruck »

izacus wrote: post #99

So now there's YouTube app (which doens't allow me to listen to a talk offline on an airplane or background or pay for YouTube Red), YouTube Music app (which I'm not allowed to use at all), YouTube Gaming (which has an UI and UX build by a madman). Then there's AndroidTV version of YouTube app which has severe feature limitations and probably some others as well. I don't really like to be negative, but it doesn't see…

Im uh... not sure what you are on about with the red and download bit. Im a youtube red subscriber, and I can download videos for offline viewing in the youtube app. It also indicates that I am a red subscriber in it.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by terda12 »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #66

Google still doesn't know what it's doing with YouTube. As a longtime consumer of YouTube videos, and somebody who is actually inside of the YouTube community, I understand that. The "Advertiser Friendly" policy was universally mocked for being absurd, and it is. Then there's the indication that it was behind the inexplicable monetization drops on major channels a few months back. The YouTube team has been seen to do…

Honestly they could have just left youtube alone, let it generate ad revenue in return for hosting videos, and that's it. No need for youtube red, youtube go, "advertiser friendly" crap. Just keep running youtube and use that revenue to fund other projects.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

angry-hacker wrote: post #115
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true, but the point that many made (and is correct) is that many forms of content cannot be advertised upon under the new policy. In fact, depending upon how YouTube interprets the policy, they can probably block monetization on any video they want, and still claim to be merely enforcing the policy. Finally, it's quite unlikely that this policy will be implemented fairly. If you want evidence, merely know that…

That always amazes me how pop music passes it. Search for rap song Coco. It's about being love with cocaine and violence and it shows me Kia car ads with families before the video. And some semi amateur authors who TALKED about true crime events were banned from the YouTube adsense partnership.

It's because YouTube has a partnership with the record labels.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by lotso »

ksk wrote: post #92
dragonwriter wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think adding a button or two is some fundamental change Neither do I, but the change here isn't "adding a button or two".

http://www.youtubego.com/signup/ None of these changes seem to be fundamental to me. They seem like trivial changes you expect in an incremental version update.

There's probably a lot more changes than you realize. I can only assume given your comments you've never worked on problems like this. There's so many benefits you can get from writing an app specifically for low-end Android devices with poor data connectivity.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by Ph0X »

krisroadruck wrote: post #116
izacus wrote: post #99

So now there's YouTube app (which doens't allow me to listen to a talk offline on an airplane or background or pay for YouTube Red), YouTube Music app (which I'm not allowed to use at all), YouTube Gaming (which has an UI and UX build by a madman). Then there's AndroidTV version of YouTube app which has severe feature limitations and probably some others as well. I don't really like to be negative, but it doesn't see…

Im uh... not sure what you are on about with the red and download bit. Im a youtube red subscriber, and I can download videos for offline viewing in the youtube app. It also indicates that I am a red subscriber in it.

I think he's referring to the fact that Youtube Red is not available in every country yet.

I think each of these address a very different problem, and completely disagree with him. Trying to bundle all of these things into one big app will just make the app bloated and development painful. Youtube at this point has many different uses (average length videos, live streams, music/audio) and trying to have a one size fits all app is not necessarily the right way to go.

Youtube GO is meant for people who live in areas with poor connectivity. Again, having them download a big 100mb bloated app is not the right solution. On the other hand, people with LTE don't care about the download size and locally sharing videos, so why put that in the same app? Same thing with trying to put Chatting/Livestream notification into the Youtube app, or trying to hack a music player into it.

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