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Re: How Not to Bomb Your Offer Negotiation

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Post by r00fus »

pandaman wrote: post #63
rdtsc wrote: post #36

It might be important to keep in mind that there is a large difference between negotiating to buy a car and negotiating to work some place. A lot of the stuff you read seems to be geared toward "buying a car" -- used top 10 tricks, outsmart somehow the dealer, maybe act like an asshole a bit, and you're leaving and never seeing them again. I don't see it always working too well in job negotiations. Approaching it tha…

Most companies employing programmers do not want employees to know each other salary. This means that if you are an individual contributor applying to such a company then your manager is not going to know your salary at all. The salary is going to be negotiated with somebody higher up, whose reports are other managers and not ICs. I would not worry about this.

Are you kidding? I would be highly surprised if a manager didn't have access to the budget impacts of his/her direct reports.

Where is this place where such info is hidden? Because I definitely don't want to work there.

Re: How Not to Bomb Your Offer Negotiation

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Post by pandaman »

r00fus wrote: post #111
pandaman wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most companies employing programmers do not want employees to know each other salary. This means that if you are an individual contributor applying to such a company then your manager is not going to know your salary at all. The salary is going to be negotiated with somebody higher up, whose reports are other managers and not ICs. I would not worry about this.

Are you kidding? I would be highly surprised if a manager didn't have access to the budget impacts of his/her direct reports. Where is this place where such info is hidden? Because I definitely don't want to work there.

I've never had a salary negotiation with a future direct manager. And I've worked/interviewed in quite a few game companies as well as some non-gamie ones like Google and Microsoft.

Re: How Not to Bomb Your Offer Negotiation

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Post by ninja_to_be »

HiFaraz wrote: post #21
Hydraulix989 wrote: post #11

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Yeah, this is just sad. I know people personally that worked their asses off learning systems programming, algorithms, and advanced mathematics at top-tier four-year colleges with absolutely fantastic technical CVs that got offers that aren't even half of that. These are surely some of the smartest people in the world, too, but I suppose they don't play the "bluffing" game all too well (er, "negotation" -- call it wh…

FYI, he's actually quite technically talented. Let's assume less and RTFA more. http://haseebq.com/farewell-app-academy-hello-airbnb-part-ii... Excerpt: ... many people are drawing the conclusion that I primarily got a job at Airbnb by being really good at negotiating, or gaming the system, or something like that. If you have ever done a software engineering interview, you would know that this is completely absurd. T…

In the linked post, he mentions that the flood gates opened after he got the offer from Google.

So, does one keep the recruiter waiting and apply for other companies telling everyone that you have an offer with Google? How long of a leeway does one have in such negotiations? How long can you keep the recruiter waiting before they close the gates? Is it a good job search strategy?

Re: How Not to Bomb Your Offer Negotiation

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Post by aeling »

pandaman wrote: post #112
r00fus wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you kidding? I would be highly surprised if a manager didn't have access to the budget impacts of his/her direct reports. Where is this place where such info is hidden? Because I definitely don't want to work there.

I've never had a salary negotiation with a future direct manager. And I've worked/interviewed in quite a few game companies as well as some non-gamie ones like Google and Microsoft.

I didn't interview with my current boss, but he definitely knows my total comp down to the dollar and stock/bonus/salary split - I've seen it on his screen during annual performance & bonus reviews. This is at a big 5 company.

Re: How Not to Bomb Your Offer Negotiation

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Post by bruc3 »

well_negotiator wrote: post #98
selimthegrim wrote: post #73

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He's not joking. This is the talking style of all those people from IIT and IIM bragging about their "pay packets" to "freshers" about to be ragged. I wonder if he is going to copy/paste that directly into his matrimonial.

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yeah it was, you just got offended

Re: How Not to Bomb Your Offer Negotiation

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Post by pandaman »

aeling wrote: post #114
pandaman wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never had a salary negotiation with a future direct manager. And I've worked/interviewed in quite a few game companies as well as some non-gamie ones like Google and Microsoft.

I didn't interview with my current boss, but he definitely knows my total comp down to the dollar and stock/bonus/salary split - I've seen it on his screen during annual performance & bonus reviews. This is at a big 5 company.

Well, it's a company, which does not care that employees know each other salary then.

Re: How Not to Bomb Your Offer Negotiation

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Post by aagrad »

well_negotiator wrote: post #37
bentlegen wrote: post #25

Slightly-related: has anyone interviewing with Airbnb used the author's public starting offer of $220k total compensation to negotiate their own starting offer? Genuinely curious. http://haseebq.com/farewell-app-academy-hello-airbnb-part-ii...

Really sad to know he didn't get a good offer in Airbnb and you both think it's a good offer. But this looks totally like a new grad offer. I have my friends who just got offers in Airbnb who are getting paid 180k in salary and ~600K in stocks which is basically $330k/year. My other friend who is senior engineer with 5 year experience is compensated around 500k/year. I have similar experience and i recently did a job…

Did you miss the part where the guy had been coding for less than 1 year? 250k might not be the pinnacle of software engineer compensation, but it's as good as it gets for his level of (in)experience.

Re: How Not to Bomb Your Offer Negotiation

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Post by johnnyfaehell »

PieterH wrote: post #97
johnnyfaehell wrote: post #35

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Having a bunch of people who think the same, leads to group think. Having someone who like attention isn't necessary bad. Just like having someone who complains a lot isn't bad. (in fact if you look at team dynamics they'll end up being the most important type of person to have on a team to create a high performing team.) It's how the team and management react to a team member that creates toxic environments. If you…

Oh, I'm a great fan of diverse thinking in a group. Trouble with dominant individuals is they wipe that out, since most people will accept someone's contradictory opinion if it's backed up by force and charisma. And yes, such people can absolutely ruin a team, I've seen it happen many, many times. That is why I treat them as problems to solve.

Basically you're solution to the problem of team dynamics is to basically bully them out? (Isolate and then remove, sounds like workplace bullying)

Re: How Not to Bomb Your Offer Negotiation

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Post by mstade »

ThePawnBreak wrote: post #110
mstade wrote: post #108

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Sounds about right. No one mentioned the free rent thing to me, but I guess that's in corporate housing where you don't want to stay anyway . May I ask how you know?

Usually corporate housing at top tech comapanies is pretty sweet. I have friends who got offers.

I've lived in corporate housing and it's all but sweet. Sure, the first period is all fun and well, but you can't live there. It's kind of like living in a drab hotel, or fancier dorm rooms. It's not home, and never will be. At least that's my experience, mileage varies of course.

Re: How Not to Bomb Your Offer Negotiation

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Post by op00to »

sidlls wrote: post #74
stale2002 wrote: post #46

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O.o These numbers are surprisingly high, to the point of almost being unbelievable. And I go around telling my friends that software engineers can make 120k right out of college, and I'M getting laughed at by my friends at how apparently unbelievable ridiculously high this is. I've got 3 years experience and I'm making not much more than that working at a midsized startup (I went to a top tech school and everything!)…

Skepticism is the best policy with things like this. It's easy for an anonymous person on the internet to make claims like this.

I am a master donut artist at Dunkin Donuts. I make $5.3 million a year. See how this works?
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