Is 'backdoor' the correct term if the vulnerability does not originate from Apple?
I agree, the terminology Kaspersky Labs is using is incorrect and misleading. The further poster is right that this should be labeled as "rootkit."
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#112Not sure whether to be amused, vindicated, or concerned that the most prominent conversation here on HN is terminology: "Is 'backdoor' the correct term?" Malware, trojan, virus, rootkit, backdoor, squirglebunny (OK, I may have made that last one up). There's not a lot of talk about the threat vector though - does anyone know how this infects systems?
From the article it seems to be via executable. That's why the terminology is important in this case. It's a executable rootkit that opens a backdoor, not a OS remote execution exploit. And this article relates to the OS X variant of a cross-platform package (so this affects Windows and Linux systems as well).
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
rootkit comes from unix, it was a tool helping to restore admin privileges even after the admin found that the host was hacked (that's where the name comes from root = admin on unix). Its goal was to be invisible. The sony rootkit was named somewhat incorrectly, because it also tried to hide itself and no other existing malware names fit it.
rootkit comes from unix, it was a tool helping to restore admin privileges even after the admin found that the host was hacked (that's where the name comes from root = admin on unix). Its goal was to be invisible. Are you sure? It also commonly referred to such kits being used by hostile parties. I've personally interrupted an attempt at installing the "Hungarian Rootkit" in the 90's. (I put unpatched Red Hat 6 onlin…
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#114Re: Sophisticated OS X Backdoor Discovered
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
rootkit comes from unix, it was a tool helping to restore admin privileges even after the admin found that the host was hacked (that's where the name comes from root = admin on unix). Its goal was to be invisible. The sony rootkit was named somewhat incorrectly, because it also tried to hide itself and no other existing malware names fit it.
rootkit comes from unix, it was a tool helping to restore admin privileges even after the admin found that the host was hacked (that's where the name comes from root = admin on unix). Its goal was to be invisible. Are you sure? It also commonly referred to such kits being used by hostile parties. I've personally interrupted an attempt at installing the "Hungarian Rootkit" in the 90's. (I put unpatched Red Hat 6 onlin…
I suspect that's exactly what he means - a rootkit is deployed by an intruder so that when the admin discovers the host has been compromised and patches the vulnerability, the rootkit, if not addressed, will grant the intruder root capabilities once more.
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#116I came here to see a sophisticated backdoor. I left disappointed.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A rootkit may require a root permission to install... This sort of phrasing is misleading. If your OS restricts security sensitive kernel functions to the root user (hint: 99% of OSes do), then it isn't "may" - it is "must". Are there wrapper scripts that run privilege escalation exploits before installing the rootkit? Yes. Doesn't that make the exploit part of the rootkit? No, they are two very different things pe…
Regardless, the point of a rootkit is to provide an execution context with escalated privileges. Whether that means root user, kernel space, System user is I would think depends on the specific rootkit. (Whose name, of course, points to "root" privileges.) Which was my original definition and is inline with the posted definition from Wikipedia.
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#118Re: Sophisticated OS X Backdoor Discovered
#119Not sure whether to be amused, vindicated, or concerned that the most prominent conversation here on HN is terminology: "Is 'backdoor' the correct term?" Malware, trojan, virus, rootkit, backdoor, squirglebunny (OK, I may have made that last one up). There's not a lot of talk about the threat vector though - does anyone know how this infects systems?
> After its first execution, the binary checks its own file path and ... From the article it seems to be via executable. That's why the terminology is important in this case. It's a executable rootkit that opens a backdoor, not a OS remote execution exploit. And this article relates to the OS X variant of a cross-platform package (so this affects Windows and Linux systems as well).
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A rootkit may require a root permission to install... This sort of phrasing is misleading. If your OS restricts security sensitive kernel functions to the root user (hint: 99% of OSes do), then it isn't "may" - it is "must". Are there wrapper scripts that run privilege escalation exploits before installing the rootkit? Yes. Doesn't that make the exploit part of the rootkit? No, they are two very different things pe…
Regardless, the point of a rootkit is to provide an execution context with escalated privileges. Whether that means root user, kernel space, System user is I would think depends on the specific rootkit. (Whose name, of course, points to "root" privileges.) Which was my original definition and is inline with the posted definition from Wikipedia.