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Re: Sophisticated OS X Backdoor Discovered

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Is 'backdoor' the correct term if the vulnerability does not originate from Apple?

I agree, the terminology Kaspersky Labs is using is incorrect and misleading. The further poster is right that this should be labeled as "rootkit."

There's a fine line between an "OS X Backdoor" and a "Backdoor in OS X"

Re: Sophisticated OS X Backdoor Discovered

#112

Not sure whether to be amused, vindicated, or concerned that the most prominent conversation here on HN is terminology: "Is 'backdoor' the correct term?" Malware, trojan, virus, rootkit, backdoor, squirglebunny (OK, I may have made that last one up). There's not a lot of talk about the threat vector though - does anyone know how this infects systems?

> After its first execution, the binary checks its own file path and ...

From the article it seems to be via executable. That's why the terminology is important in this case. It's a executable rootkit that opens a backdoor, not a OS remote execution exploit. And this article relates to the OS X variant of a cross-platform package (so this affects Windows and Linux systems as well).

Re: Sophisticated OS X Backdoor Discovered

#113
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

rootkit comes from unix, it was a tool helping to restore admin privileges even after the admin found that the host was hacked (that's where the name comes from root = admin on unix). Its goal was to be invisible. The sony rootkit was named somewhat incorrectly, because it also tried to hide itself and no other existing malware names fit it.

rootkit comes from unix, it was a tool helping to restore admin privileges even after the admin found that the host was hacked (that's where the name comes from root = admin on unix). Its goal was to be invisible. Are you sure? It also commonly referred to such kits being used by hostile parties. I've personally interrupted an attempt at installing the "Hungarian Rootkit" in the 90's. (I put unpatched Red Hat 6 onlin…

Right. a "rootkit" was a kit of tools you deploy once you have obtained root (on someone else's server).

Re: Sophisticated OS X Backdoor Discovered

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

rootkit comes from unix, it was a tool helping to restore admin privileges even after the admin found that the host was hacked (that's where the name comes from root = admin on unix). Its goal was to be invisible. The sony rootkit was named somewhat incorrectly, because it also tried to hide itself and no other existing malware names fit it.

rootkit comes from unix, it was a tool helping to restore admin privileges even after the admin found that the host was hacked (that's where the name comes from root = admin on unix). Its goal was to be invisible. Are you sure? It also commonly referred to such kits being used by hostile parties. I've personally interrupted an attempt at installing the "Hungarian Rootkit" in the 90's. (I put unpatched Red Hat 6 onlin…

> It also commonly referred to such kits being used by hostile parties.

I suspect that's exactly what he means - a rootkit is deployed by an intruder so that when the admin discovers the host has been compromised and patches the vulnerability, the rootkit, if not addressed, will grant the intruder root capabilities once more.

Re: Sophisticated OS X Backdoor Discovered

#116
post #94

I came here to see a sophisticated backdoor. I left disappointed.

Same thing. All comments are about backdoor vs rootkit vs malware vs etc, as if it was important. Hey guys, you really want me to go through a link and read that article myself? Where is the discussion? Where is tl;dr comment upvoted to the top?

Re: Sophisticated OS X Backdoor Discovered

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A rootkit may require a root permission to install... This sort of phrasing is misleading. If your OS restricts security sensitive kernel functions to the root user (hint: 99% of OSes do), then it isn't "may" - it is "must". Are there wrapper scripts that run privilege escalation exploits before installing the rootkit? Yes. Doesn't that make the exploit part of the rootkit? No, they are two very different things pe…

Regardless, the point of a rootkit is to provide an execution context with escalated privileges. Whether that means root user, kernel space, System user is I would think depends on the specific rootkit. (Whose name, of course, points to "root" privileges.) Which was my original definition and is inline with the posted definition from Wikipedia.

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Re: Sophisticated OS X Backdoor Discovered

#118
Kaspersky, the most paid and legalized backdoor ever commercialized, ruining web experience of the average user. Although I'm glad they discover interesting things, I would love they stop messing with third parties http connection and html pages.

Re: Sophisticated OS X Backdoor Discovered

#119

Not sure whether to be amused, vindicated, or concerned that the most prominent conversation here on HN is terminology: "Is 'backdoor' the correct term?" Malware, trojan, virus, rootkit, backdoor, squirglebunny (OK, I may have made that last one up). There's not a lot of talk about the threat vector though - does anyone know how this infects systems?

> After its first execution, the binary checks its own file path and ... From the article it seems to be via executable. That's why the terminology is important in this case. It's a executable rootkit that opens a backdoor, not a OS remote execution exploit. And this article relates to the OS X variant of a cross-platform package (so this affects Windows and Linux systems as well).

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Re: Sophisticated OS X Backdoor Discovered

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A rootkit may require a root permission to install... This sort of phrasing is misleading. If your OS restricts security sensitive kernel functions to the root user (hint: 99% of OSes do), then it isn't "may" - it is "must". Are there wrapper scripts that run privilege escalation exploits before installing the rootkit? Yes. Doesn't that make the exploit part of the rootkit? No, they are two very different things pe…

Regardless, the point of a rootkit is to provide an execution context with escalated privileges. Whether that means root user, kernel space, System user is I would think depends on the specific rootkit. (Whose name, of course, points to "root" privileges.) Which was my original definition and is inline with the posted definition from Wikipedia.

Well I guess we won't come to an agreement, because it seems that whatever reason you prefer a very loose definition. For example, you just couldn't help yourself in confusing the privilege escalation point: "...context with escalated privileges." The rootkit isn't escalating anything, in the same way that LKMs, bootloaders, tracetools, or drivers don't escalate - it executes at or below its own privilege level.
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