Does freely accessible mean copies can be hosted by anyone anywhere?
I would say that fingerprinting is still useful, to knowthat the original information hasn't been tampered with.
Why do we need publishers again?
EU Announces That All Scientific Articles Should Be Freely Accessible by 2020
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#112Some studies have concluded that there is now more social mobility in Europe than in the US. Now I see more and more "bellwether" laws and executive actions coming from Europe first. Does this mean that the US, being at the top of the hierarchy and in charge of the world's largest empire, has now ceded innovation to the up and coming powers, much as Britain did to the United States in the 19th and 20th century?
First in line to Disneyland, or first in line at the suicide booth? Direction is as important as order, so a criticism of "not first" must be more nuanced.
Please provide a quote and explain why you interpreted my comment as a criticism? Once you do so, then explain why your interpretation is more applicable than an interpretation as a non-criticism.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you'd be amazed how small most of the scientific communities in certain areas of research are. If you have the names of a few well-known researchers on the editorial board or in the list of reviewers of an open-access/electronic journal, this will instanty establish its credentials and authority. After all, researchers care mostly about the quality of the work and the results, and not so much about the brandi…
Has this not been true for a long time though? Why haven't new upstart publishers thrown the larger ones out already?
Plenty of rankings of universities are done based on research output, based on upon where publications are, often based on rankings that are rarely updated of journals and conferences.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
First in line to Disneyland, or first in line at the suicide booth? Direction is as important as order, so a criticism of "not first" must be more nuanced.
Please provide a quote and explain why you interpreted my comment as a criticism? Once you do so, then explain why your interpretation is more applicable than an interpretation as a non-criticism.
"the US has now ceded innovation to the up and coming powers"
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#115Why? whats next? Free newspapers.. free travel.. let's close all businesses.
I didn't down-vote you, because you ask a valid question. However, free newspapers and travel sounds good to me. If all/most resources were free it would then be just a matter of deciding which were worth spending your time on. There doesn't really seem to be much negative, other than current business models fading away. However, I don't think most people would care much if all businesses did close and were replaced…
> just a matter of deciding which were worth spending your time on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Time
:)
Re: EU Announces That All Scientific Articles Should Be Freely Accessible by 2020
#116Doesn't that just have the effect that everyone now has to pay for scientific articles? I mean, as a scientist, this benefits me, but I can see why your average Joe wouldn't be happy to pay taxes so he can read articles he can't understand...
That's a little elitist of you. There are lots of people outside academia who can understand and benefit from academic publications. Consider, for example, somebody thinking of creating a startup doing research on what the bleeding edge of a field is. Or a former student considering re-entering academic research checking up on how the field has progressed since they left it. Or simply an independent researcher trying…
I'm saying average. I wouldn't pay for biology studies because I don't understand them, so I don't see why an accountant should be paying for CS studies he doesn't understand. I'm just trying to warn about having taxpayers pay for things that realistically 95% of them are never gonna use.
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#117Some studies have concluded that there is now more social mobility in Europe than in the US. Now I see more and more "bellwether" laws and executive actions coming from Europe first. Does this mean that the US, being at the top of the hierarchy and in charge of the world's largest empire, has now ceded innovation to the up and coming powers, much as Britain did to the United States in the 19th and 20th century?
The U.S. is heading in a direction that will cede control of ICANN. I can't imagine a more inept proposition...
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#118Why on earth do people think this is to the detriment of publishers? This will effectively just lock in their profits by forcing all eu grants to include the cost of payments to publishers to make research papers open access. It just means the taxpayer is now paying for open access instead of individuals having to pay up themselves. Note I'm not saying this is a bad thing, and it is possibly worth publicly subsidisin…
Publisher-hosted open access is a scam. Here in the UK we already have an open-access requirement for RCUK and EPSRC grants, but it can be met by uploading a preprint to an institution- or subject-specific repository (such as arXiv) and including a link to it in your report back to the grant sponsor. Last time I published in a journal, I got a "special offer" of $1200 instead of $2000 to make it open access. I polite…
This doesn't make any sense, why would they make you pay less to make it open access? You mean it was 1200$ more?
Re: EU Announces That All Scientific Articles Should Be Freely Accessible by 2020
#119The EU hasn't "announced" anything. There was a meeting between several influential people connected to the EU, and they reached an informal agreement on something related to freely accessible research. The "announcement" is nothing but the minutes of that meeting.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just wait till you see how many people use "America" when they mean "The United States of America".
Yes, but America is not a reference to a continent. That would be North America or South America. (I suppose you could call the super continent just "America" but most call it "The Americas" instead.) Clearly the term "America" either disambiguates to a continent or a country, and most assume the country. "Europe," on the other hand, really is a continent, so the term has a completely different meaning than the EU, a…
I'd have thought Europe as half or Eurasia is less of a continent than America as North+South.