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Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Plus you have to up your electrolytes of sodium, magnesium, and potassium. If you don't you tend to have a foggy head.

100%. i take pills for the sodium and magnesium (they usually have potassium too but usually not enough). and avocados are a staple when it comes to potassium

I've never found potassium in sufficient quantities in pill supplements - but low-sodium salt gives you 500 mg per 5g teaspoon (and another 1000 mg of Sodium, Ironically)

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Just for what it's worth, there are several Soylent-like meal replacement products that are explicitly formulated for ketogenesis. This could be an aid for a person who wants to try a keto diet without having to research a lot of new recipes. Biolent has a keto variant: http://biolent.ca/ Keto Chow: https://www.thebairs.net/product-category/ketochow/ Keto Fuel: http://superbodyfuel.com/shop/keto-fuel/ KetoSoy: https:…

Also remember, his diet is a function of not taking carbs at all (or very little) for a short time.

For someone who eats lots of carbs already, a plum/orange isn't going to cause an increase in weight. It is primarily just calories. It is of course easier to eat more calories in carbs than in protein, but overall, carbs aren't "bad".

Moreover, such Atkins diets tend to work only temporarily, until atkins-diet homeostasis is achieved, unless calorie restriction is practiced as well [1,2].

[1] Many studies show that long-term weight rebounds if you forgo carbs and overall weight loss depends only on calories. One article: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/23.long

[2] http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=200094

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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On a related note; NuSI (Gary Taubes's Nutrition Science Initiative for better nutritional testing) has not published their first results for the carbohydrate/insulin link to obesity, but Dr. Kevin Hall discusses the upcoming results in this video and some people may be surprised (including Gary). _No Metabolic Advantage for Ketosis Found_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUyjMjuLl0

I wish I had data to back this up, but there is no chance I was in caloric deficit on the keto diet. I lost lots of weight at the time. Not claiming my body violated energy conservation, but clearly this is more complex than "you don't get weight loss for free so you have to exercise more". So many folks doing the keto diet are sucking down ungodly amounts of bacon, heavy cream, etc and losing weight

They are replacing even more ungodly amounts of calories in the form of carbohydrates with that bacon/cream. Honestly, you can only eat so much bacon before you get sick of it, and your body just screams "Yuck. Stop eating. I'm full".

That's not true of things like rice, noodles, bread, etc.. where for many people eat some, and your body is like, "Awesome. Bring it on" in a never ending cycle.

Put another way - Satiation happens a lot faster, and lasts longer, when you are eating protein/fats, than it does when you are eating refined carbohydrates.

I think that what made it clear to me, is that there are no metabolic chamber studies (where people's activity and diet are perfectly controlled) that have ever demonstrated significant variation from the calories in/calories out model. Carbs, Protein, Fats - doesn't seem to make a difference, your weight is simply a reflection of your metabolic output and caloric-intake.

Stephan Guyenet also has an interesting perspective here:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.sg/2011/08/carbohydrate-hy...

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Totally anecdotal, but I want to second the recommendation of a longer fasting period. I switched to a strict-but-not-religious "no food between 7 pm and 11 am" system (with exceptions for weekends and social occasions). Within a few months I was down 15 pounds (~182 to around ~167) and had shed 4 inches off my waist (~34 to ~30). I'm about 5'10" and 41 years old. It's definitely helped with physical activity (mostly…

If you can afford it (usually around $150 here in Singapore), it might be worthwhile going into a sports clinic to get a RMR reading. It's possible that your body has significantly dropped your metabolism after the weight loss, and is fighting to restore its previous weight - making further fat loss (particularly while retaining most of your lean body mass) really difficult.

Ironically, in that scenario, it might be worth occasional days of increased caloric input, to attempt to trigger your body into believing that it isn't starving, and really can continue to run a high BMR.

At the very least, having the data in hand is pretty cool - and it only takes about 40 minutes, inclusive of the time they need to set up the gear (just an face mask) and get you into a calm/resting state.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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I don't have a weight problem, I learned about ketosis researching natural ways for improving focus and concentration, and somehow came across "bulletproof coffee". (I'm only using BP for lack of a better name and I don't endorse the stuff they sell online). To my utter surprise, something as stupidly simple as coffee blended with butter with coconut oil (or MCT) first thing in the morning did unbelievable things for…

> To my utter surprise, something as stupidly simple as coffee blended with butter with coconut oil (or MCT) first thing in the morning did unbelievable things for mental productivity.

Eat food. Mostly plants. Not too much. If that doesn't work for you, talk to a doctor.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Just for what it's worth, there are several Soylent-like meal replacement products that are explicitly formulated for ketogenesis. This could be an aid for a person who wants to try a keto diet without having to research a lot of new recipes. Biolent has a keto variant: http://biolent.ca/ Keto Chow: https://www.thebairs.net/product-category/ketochow/ Keto Fuel: http://superbodyfuel.com/shop/keto-fuel/ KetoSoy: https:…

Also remember, his diet is a function of not taking carbs at all (or very little) for a short time. For someone who eats lots of carbs already, a plum/orange isn't going to cause an increase in weight. It is primarily just calories. It is of course easier to eat more calories in carbs than in protein, but overall, carbs aren't "bad". Moreover, such Atkins diets tend to work only temporarily, until atkins-diet homeost…

Atkins is not a keto diet. Atkins starts keto, then reintroduces carbs.

Weight loss is simple: calorie deficit. However, switching from carbs to fats and taking advantage of some of the metabolic processes your body has to offer makes the process easier for many people. Calorie deficit with less hunger and decent energy. It helps a lot.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Bulletproof coffee is really the strangest of any strange fad beverage/weight loss ritual I've ever encountered. But even weirder is that it really doesn't taste bad, and it did didn't do terrible things to my innards. The sound of it is really counter-intuitive: oily coffee, black. But then you realize that these flavors have been mixed together for years, whenever you have buttered toast and coffee. (now, minus the…

I mean, if you put cream in your coffee... that's basically liquid butter with some whey in it.

No, the actual experience is a significant departure from using cream, or milk products, or imitations of milk.

It floats on the top, in beads, like a soup broth.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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I guess if we're sharing fitness plots, here's 1300 measurements and 7 DXA scans: http://i.imgur.com/J4Ls2bQ.png

Wow. This is a beautiful and data-rich chart. Thanks for sharing.

Would be great if you could put this on github as well, and add some explanations to all the details in README.md.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Most people find that their alertness and focus improve significantly on keto. The trick is that a) it takes quite a while for your body to get adjusted to ketosis. 6 months to fully adjust, but the primary adjustment will take at 2-4 weeks for most people b) during this adjustment period, you'll usually feel like shit. since you're running empty on the fuel your body is used to. but many people cheat, or accidentall…

I wonder if anybody on Ketosis has ever done an endurance event and not ended up feeling absolutely miserable/exhausted. I was on a fairly low carb regime ( The research that I've read says that the ideal training regime is to work-out in a carb-exhausted state, so as to encourage your body to develop the low-carb metabolic pathway, but for actual endurance events, definitely carb load as your primary fuel.

Yes, Peter Attia is good source of knowledge on ketosis + endurance. Check out his amazing blog at eatingacademy.com

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Of course you're going to gain weight when you eat carbs. Glycogen contains mostly water and carbs, so if you store glycogen you gain weight, up to 20 lbs from completely depleted. So let's say you eat low carb and train very hard for a week. Your muscles will be depleted, your liver will be depleted. You see that you lost 10 lbs! Great! But is it? Maybe you lost one pound of fat and 9 pounds of water. Then you eat N…

I was wondering when someone was going to mention this. I can add about 11-12 pounds of body-weight by scale reading in a single day simply by eating food rich in carbs the day prior. Cutting the Carbs out of my diet see's that weight disappear (thought it takes 4-5 days). Adding Potassium, Sodium, Magnesium supplements to meals reduces the water loss somewhat.

Agreed - that the real question isn't weight, per se, but Lean Body Mass. DexaScan is also a good approach to nailing down that number.

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