I figured out what is going on here. Walmart thinks to themselves "we want to be like amazon, we want to be huge online" and then jet comes along and is something of an almost competitor to amazon, so corporate thinks "oh we should snap this up" but...my gut reaction here is this is going to be a terrible deal for walmart, what are they going to do, keep dumping $500M/yr for it at a loss or what? Pretty desperate, bu…
If you're a cynical person that is an easy thought... but something tells me a 3B acquisition of a company that is losing money in so many places isn't a decision taken lightly. A public company like Walmart, there's some people doing some math here.
Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash
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Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use Jet on a regular basis. I try to avoid Amazon wherever possible, they're good but they have too much power so I try to help any alternative. Their selection isn't as good as Amazon, but usually it arrives quicker. Books are not quick, but cheaper than BN (even though BN ships them) They must be burning lots of cash though. I placed a $100 order with about 7 items and it came in 6 different boxes.
That's interesting. Mine have always arrived together in one box per order. Are you ordering a lot of books or some broad variety of items?
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
In general, the unregistered "general solicitation" for the purchase of securities is prohibited. You can't go on TV and ask people to buy your stock in exchange for money unless you have registered to do so--an IPO or subsequent S1. Stock is certainly a security. Stock options are just call options of a security, and also a security. Obviously there is some (future, conditional) value implied since it's a reward. It…
Well he was just referring people to sign up for the website. The money was money he spent advertising the website(?), so the money only went to getting new members. The stocks were given as the reward for the most sign ups, not in exchange for money.
There is precedent of an almost identical enforcement action by the SEC, but my google fu is failing me.
Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash
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#115Is anyone here using Jet on a regular basis? I tried it once a few months back and dismissed it as nothing innovative enough to be a sustainable Amazon competitor. I must have been very wrong. I don't see how Jet justifies 3B from Walmart. I will credit them on one point - They do seem have great employee sat that is a result of investing lots of time and energy to create a healthy environment.
I use Jet on a regular basis. I try to avoid Amazon wherever possible, they're good but they have too much power so I try to help any alternative. Their selection isn't as good as Amazon, but usually it arrives quicker. Books are not quick, but cheaper than BN (even though BN ships them) They must be burning lots of cash though. I placed a $100 order with about 7 items and it came in 6 different boxes.
Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash
#116Jet.com ran a contest where they gave 100,000 shares as the top prize for the most signup referrals. This Guy is probably one happy guy right now. He spent $18k and the value of those stocks are probably worth in the millions. http://www.businessinsider.com/jet-insiders-referral-program...
Pretty cool. While this is almost certainly in violation of general solicitation SEC regulations, I doubt there would be any action taken by the regulator. The surprising part is that Jet.com's legal department let this fly.
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It ain't HN without some good ol' cynicism.
It's what makes HN so great. Even the original Dropbox "Show HN" pitch was agressively cynical about it; "I can do the same thing with a linux box and some scripts...", etc.
> No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.
https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-i...
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I've made more than $1000 on more than one program (discover deals, shopathome, possibly splendor or close, somewhere in the same range on topcashback). None of those have per transaction or total limits. I don't spend on travel, though, so rules may be different there. I resell, so I'm also explicitly excluded from jet's program.
I wouldn't expect the average consumer to be a reseller, but that's an interesting point to consider. Travel is a heavily restricted category. I wasn't able to find complete terms and exceptions for all of the programs you mentioned quickly, but for example, TopCashback caps flights from Orbitz at $3 [0]. Discover Deals doesn't seem to support flights besides one weird deal with CheapOAir [1]. [0]: https://www.topcas…
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Doesn't Walmart already have pretty decent tech? I recall seeing some impressive scalability blog posts from the team st "Walmart labs."
(Throw away for obvious reasons) It is all total crap. We dumped a bunch of time and money into rebuilding everything as SOA and on all the latest technologies. Most of the work was done by an army of Indians that couldn't get jobs elsewhere in the valley. Absolutely nothing scales. We have more servers in total than peak users to the site, and still can't get any respectable performance numbers. The few smart people…
Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash
#120What's the likely scenarios for an employee whose been there for 2 years, an employee whose been there for 1 year, and an employee whose been there for 6 months? If we assume 1 year cliff on options.
We know that Jet has been a bit unconventional in their pay practices [1] with their transparent salary metric. But we don't know how their options differ. Sometimes options have a "change of control" clause. In those cases the vesting schedule for common shares is accelerated when the company is acquired.
TechCrunch says "$3B cash plus $300M in shares to the Founders and employees". That sounds like part of the acquisition offer is stock offers to employees to come to Walmart. The new stock options would have cliffs and restrictions as well but they are for a publicly traded stock (so you know that you will be able to trade them, vs a private company where you may never be able to trade them). If the Crunchbase article is correct and there are 1K - 5K employees, we'll assume the distribution follows the power law but even with that, smallest grants would be at least $100K if distributed over 5K points with a $300M total.
Second there is the "value" of common stock. If the company had raised a total of $800M, and already had a 2x liquidation preference with participation, that would have $1.4B to distribute across the final common pool. In common scenarios that would mean that people who had been employed for a year or more would be able to exercise n/48ths of their stock option (where n was months of service as long as n was 12 or higher). The Tech Crunch article also said that they had been shooting for a $3B valuation in the last funding round. Given that jump you might expect common shares from the resulting acquisition to have a value that was at least 2.1 times their strike price. That might not represent a lot of money though, a million shares with a strike price of 10 cents a share, now worth 21 cents a share is a $110K gain. That said it would depend on how many shares were outstanding. If they had held back 20% of the share pool for employee options, and distributed half of it, that would be 10% of the company in options, or potentially $300M in value. That arbitrarily lines up with stock number quoted in the press release. If that relationship was accurate, it would suggest that Walmart was converting the options straight to Walmart share options (another common practice) where the acquiring company keeps the previous vesting schedule.
Lots and lots of variables. On the plus side, if an employee did have a stock option and it was at least partially vested, that option was probably worth non-zero dollars so in the world of startups that counts as a win. How big a win will vary from person to person.
[1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikamorphy/2015/07/21/jet-com-i...