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Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by vmateixeira »

provoc wrote: post #37
pipeline_tux wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Torrents are filling the gap where the traditional media companies are still failing. Here in NZ there are 7 different streaming services that I can immediately think of, each with exclusive rights to some content. I'm not paying $80 a month to sign up to each so I can watch their popular "exclusive" show they own the rights to. If the rights-holders made their content accessible and at a reasonable price to consumer…

So your excuse for this theft of service is that you simply don't want to pay? It's lucky for you that prosecuting torrent users is so rare, as I really can't see that one holding up in court. If you can't afford it, don't steal it. It's as simple as that.

Despite 'stealing' or not, if someone is not willing to pay for some company services, that company has failed.

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Post by kalleboo »

Svenskunganka wrote: post #65

Torrents and copyright infringement is related, we can all agree on that. But I believe that pirating is related to a very fuzzy legal system regarding this topic and unfair treatment by the major movie studios & music labels. I'll try to explain as good as I can. Being a european citizen, it is very frustrating knowing that pirating is illegal even though being a Netflix, HBO & Spotify customer. Pirating is a much b…

> I don't understand why the EU isn't doing anything about it

The problem is that right now the EU isn't one copyright market - each EU country is a separate market, with a tonne of legacy exclusive distribution deals in place. If the EU was a single market, it would be the same size or bigger than the US market and would probably get better attention.

The EU is working on it, it just moves at the speed of bureaucracy (and of course each country has lobbyists in the local media which has those legacy exclusive distribution deals resisting it)

Here's the page on copyright harmonization: https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/copyright

And check the "Geo-blocking" and "Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement" headlines here hhttp://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/digital/

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by Sacho »

thinkloop wrote: post #103
Tharkun wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If intent matters, then guns are doubly problematic. They are specifically designed to kill people. They have no other use or purpose.

Killing people is not illegal, the circumstances matter.

Neither is downloading content, the circumstances(whether it is copyrighted or not, whether you have a license, etc) matter.

Re: Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine Says Farewell

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Post by _jomo »

dineshp2 wrote: post #28

The reason piracy is so popular is because it is free and because it's incredibly convenient, in that order. The convenience factor is basically, if you want some content (movie, game) it's a simple search and download away (streaming torrents seem to be gaining traction). No legal alternative offers this level of convenience. I suspect piracy will become harder for the average user due to three letter agencies makin…

I would actually be willing to pay the Amazon Prime, Netflix, and Spotify price if torrenting became legal.

For me, convenience + technical and quality advantages are a major factor. Much more than having it for free.

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Post by AsyncAwait »

hkjgkjy wrote: post #110
methou wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worse as a Chinese citizen, buying is still an option, we have none, even through technical workarounds. I used to be a Netflix/Hulu subscriber before they've banned proxy access to their content. Lately I tried to buy various TV streaming services but they did a great job in banning VPNs. This is where I stopped believing they have a good faith.

Sorry if I have preconceived notions, but I don't imagine anyone running any risk of prosecution for pirating foreign movies in China?

Maybe it's about the willingness to support the content creators, rather than the fear of being prosecuted?

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Post by thaumasiotes »

hkjgkjy wrote: post #110
methou wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worse as a Chinese citizen, buying is still an option, we have none, even through technical workarounds. I used to be a Netflix/Hulu subscriber before they've banned proxy access to their content. Lately I tried to buy various TV streaming services but they did a great job in banning VPNs. This is where I stopped believing they have a good faith.

Sorry if I have preconceived notions, but I don't imagine anyone running any risk of prosecution for pirating foreign movies in China?

Ordinary torrenting is also blocked in China. You need to run your torrent software through a VPN.

Last I was there, Astrill seemed to be the way to go. But the situation evolves.

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Post by sdoering »

Svenskunganka wrote: post #65

Torrents and copyright infringement is related, we can all agree on that. But I believe that pirating is related to a very fuzzy legal system regarding this topic and unfair treatment by the major movie studios & music labels. I'll try to explain as good as I can. Being a european citizen, it is very frustrating knowing that pirating is illegal even though being a Netflix, HBO & Spotify customer. Pirating is a much b…

> treat those customers as second-hand customers...

If I look at content available at these services, I feel more of a third or fourth hand customer. And that is the reason I have left them for good. Scorched earth is what is left for me.

But you would not even have to go to these streaming "services". I really love my classic tv shows. Take for example "Quincy, M.E.". I love this show and would pay good money to have it available at home (in DVD or BluRay format). And for my significant other have the synchronized version. The whole series was synchronized for German TV. But is it available as DVD? No it isn't.

Our only chance i to wait for the reruns on any network, program our HDD recorder and ripp the low quality TV stream.

If I would still be illegally downloading, I would already have the whole show at home, with self printed DVDs and such. But being a good and law abiding citizen I am pretty much fed.

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Post by mattmanser »

Svenskunganka wrote: post #65

Torrents and copyright infringement is related, we can all agree on that. But I believe that pirating is related to a very fuzzy legal system regarding this topic and unfair treatment by the major movie studios & music labels. I'll try to explain as good as I can. Being a european citizen, it is very frustrating knowing that pirating is illegal even though being a Netflix, HBO & Spotify customer. Pirating is a much b…

I'd happily bet big money that orders of magnitude more people are pirating because it's free than because they'd invested in 7.1 surround system and a 4K 3D TVs.

Everyone I know who pirates is doing it because it's free. Although almost all of them pay for something (Netflix, Amazon Prime or Nowtv), they just don't pay for all of them. And these are all grown adults in their 30s.

Say you pay for Netflix and Amazon, but they don't have everything. So GoT has to come from somewhere... And movie releases are still over-delayed to streaming services. You see a DVD in the shop? You can stream it for free rather than wait 6 months more for it to maybe turn up on Netflix.

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Post by andrewclunn »

methou wrote: post #97
Svenskunganka wrote: post #65

Torrents and copyright infringement is related, we can all agree on that. But I believe that pirating is related to a very fuzzy legal system regarding this topic and unfair treatment by the major movie studios & music labels. I'll try to explain as good as I can. Being a european citizen, it is very frustrating knowing that pirating is illegal even though being a Netflix, HBO & Spotify customer. Pirating is a much b…

It's worse as a Chinese citizen, buying is still an option, we have none, even through technical workarounds. I used to be a Netflix/Hulu subscriber before they've banned proxy access to their content. Lately I tried to buy various TV streaming services but they did a great job in banning VPNs. This is where I stopped believing they have a good faith.

Sounds like an issue with the Chinese government basically forcing you to use a vpn to use the internet, not the American companies.
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