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Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by ldehaan »

randyrand wrote: post #107
gthtjtkt wrote: post #11

They deserved the backlash for implementing it, and I hope the Rift continues to suffer now that people know Facebook's true intentions. Not to mention how poorly they treated early supporters after the buyout, e.g. stocking Rifts on retail shelves before they'd fulfilled orders for all backers, then telling backers who complained to get a refund and go buy one from a store... They're only doing the "right" thing bec…

> Facebook's true intentions To make money. Woah!! A business trying to make money!!! How dare them!!

yeah but you can be a nice company that actually cares about people, and takes really good care of their customers and still make money. you can also be a company of douche cookies and make money, but that lowers our collective trust, goodwill and happiness.

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by ldehaan »

faide wrote: post #56
pavanky wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because rift is not a freaking console. It is just a new way to display a game that is running on a PC.

It's hardly a peripheral though. VR games are incompatible with traditional displays, and the development requirements are quite a bit more strict (low latency, high framerate). It's quite a stretch to say that VR is "just a new way to display a game," in my opinion.

it's a display, there are outputs of location data to the computer but they don't come from the headset, they come from other peripherals.

if I then plug the display into my video card; then that makes it a head mounted monitor with drivers to output data specific to that display.

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by FatAmerican »

Klathmon wrote: post #24
gthtjtkt wrote: post #11

They deserved the backlash for implementing it, and I hope the Rift continues to suffer now that people know Facebook's true intentions. Not to mention how poorly they treated early supporters after the buyout, e.g. stocking Rifts on retail shelves before they'd fulfilled orders for all backers, then telling backers who complained to get a refund and go buy one from a store... They're only doing the "right" thing bec…

I never got the quest for punishment for actions like this. They did something bad, the community reacted negatively. If they fix the problem, rewarding them is going to make sure it sticks around. Continuing to "punish" them for something they fixed only sends the message that the fix was pointless and that it would have been better to ignore the problem like so many other companies (including Facebook themselves) d…

We don't all look at corporations like our own children: "sure they screwed up but as long as the fix it all is forgiven." We look at corporations as full grown adults who only get one real chance. Think about all the strategy that went into the DRM change, there was a lot of thought behind the decision, which revealed true long term intentions. This was not a momentary temper tantrum, this was premeditated. You can expect something similar to happen in the future with the rift. Worst case...Rift proves the market and does a whole bunch of R/D that 2nd or 3d generation suppliers can capitalize on. I will not be purchasing a Rift, ever.

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by nilkn »

corysama wrote: post #105
chrischen wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We keep punishing because we're still not satisfied, and because we can't catch their wrong doing all the time so we punish them to detract from their aggregate gains from wrong-doing.

So, you punish them for their assumed transgressions. That's rather medieval of you.

The transgressions are not assumed. All they've done is reverted a small piece of DRM that was leading to piracy. They have not opened up their store at all. It's still completely closed to non-Oculus hardware.

Perhaps you're missing context to understand why people are upset. Oculus has went so far as to actually pay developers of open, non-exclusive VR games to restrict their games to the Rift and Touch only, either indefinitely or for a period of at least six months. These are games that were already in development. In one case, people had even pre-ordered Giant Cop for the Vive through the Humble Bundle, but Oculus purchased timed exclusivity rights for the game afterwards.

It's a really nasty situation, and Oculus deserves every bit of criticism they've received. This reversal of a tiny piece of their overall exclusivity strategy does not in any way diminish or undo everything else they've been doing. In fact, it's completely irrelevant for anyone who wasn't planning on pirating content.

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by randyrand »

ldehaan wrote: post #111
randyrand wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook's true intentions To make money. Woah!! A business trying to make money!!! How dare them!!

yeah but you can be a nice company that actually cares about people, and takes really good care of their customers and still make money. you can also be a company of douche cookies and make money, but that lowers our collective trust, goodwill and happiness.

It really depends on the market conditions.

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by SixSigma »

spb wrote: post #100
duncanawoods wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Clinton case, she doesn't own her flip flops, she tries to rewrite history. Instead of discussing in depth how and what changed her mind (which would be really powerful), she will just claim to have always been a tireless campaigner for the issue. Its evident her flip flops are not from a change of personal philosophy but only because its now politically expedient to adopt a position. Similarly with Oculus. Ha…

In the Hillary Clinton case, it's not because she changed her opinion - it's because she only changed her opinion once it was clear she'd face more backlash for holding it than abandoning it (indeed, the opposite appears to be the only reason she'd ever held her original stance in the first place). This indicates that, on future civil-rights issues to come that will have a similar public adoption curve (ie. transgend…

Meanwhile :

Bernie Sanders Says He Will Vote for Hillary Clinton

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/us/politics/bernie-sand...

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by Splines »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #74
faide wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the exclusivity outrage. It seems entirely fair to me for a platform holder to expect something in return for funding development of a game. Consoles have had exclusives since time immemorial and no one seems to bat an eye when it happens. What makes this case special?

This isn't "Halo is Exclusive to Xbox only". It's "Halo is exclusive to Samsung 4k Ultra HD TVs".

I'm not a huge fan of exclusives either, but (technical reasons aside) how is your example different?

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by pessimizer »

SixSigma wrote: post #116
spb wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Hillary Clinton case, it's not because she changed her opinion - it's because she only changed her opinion once it was clear she'd face more backlash for holding it than abandoning it (indeed, the opposite appears to be the only reason she'd ever held her original stance in the first place). This indicates that, on future civil-rights issues to come that will have a similar public adoption curve (ie. transgend…

Meanwhile : Bernie Sanders Says He Will Vote for Hillary Clinton http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/us/politics/bernie-sand...

A Trump presidency scares people. Especially with the current power of the Executive. About half of his supporters say that they'll vote for Clinton, too.

Do you think that it's inconsistent with Sanders' stated positions that he supports Clinton over Trump?

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by pessimizer »

golergka wrote: post #93
azernik wrote: post #86

Different context, but Dan Savage articulates this well. Relevant (and censored, because he is who he is) paragraph from a long blog post [1] on Sanders vs. Clinton: 'It's ####ing moronic—it's political malpractice—to attack a politician for coming around on your issues. There are lots of other issues the queer community is going to be pressing politicians on, from passing equal rights bills and trans rights bills to…

It's because people want to see politicians as idealists — while usually, cynics who just want to get elected actually make the best politicians in a functioning democracy while idealists tend to become bloody tyrants.

Mao and Pol Pot, maybe, but the vast majority of bloody tyrants are cynics, too.

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by chongli »

azernik wrote: post #86

Different context, but Dan Savage articulates this well. Relevant (and censored, because he is who he is) paragraph from a long blog post [1] on Sanders vs. Clinton: 'It's ####ing moronic—it's political malpractice—to attack a politician for coming around on your issues. There are lots of other issues the queer community is going to be pressing politicians on, from passing equal rights bills and trans rights bills to…

Why should they come around on our issues

Because it's not about issues anymore, it's about identity. We live in the era of identity politics. Issues serve only as litmus tests, dog whistles, and shibboleths today. When a politician comes around on an issue, they give off a red flag: they are not a genuine member of the ingroup. They are an impostor.

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