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David Cameron announces resignation

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Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

dragonmum wrote: post #22
sz4kerto wrote: post #7

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> He is the biggest looser in this situation Except he isn't, really -- he loses his political position, but he and his family won't be existentially affected by what's going to happen, as opposed to probably tens of millions of people all around Europe.

The EU's common agricultural policy was actively favoring and subsidizing large EU based multinationals and blocking entry into the market by small scale farmers and producers in developing countries. Seems to me like a huge new market called "the UK" just opened up for genuine and fair trade. So overall, this is probably good for hundreds of millions of people around the world.

At last UK farmers can sell their top quality fruit and vegetables to the rest of the world.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by reitoei »

tehwalrus wrote: post #33
actuator wrote: post #20

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With emerging talk of Irish unification and Scottish independence after the referendum, some legacy he is going to leave behind.

Irish unification would be a silver lining to this awfulness.

A lot of people from both sides of the border don't want unification.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by youngtaff »

gonvaled wrote: post #97
youngtaff wrote: post #88

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There is no process for the EU to suspend the UK or for the EU to trigger article 50

You are not suggesting that the UK leaving the EU will be done on UK terms only, do you? Like "we get that funding chunk and then we leave" or "we attend that EU parliament session and then we leave" or "we don't say how or when, we'll just leave, whenever it suits us, and please don't disturb because I am too busy doing important things which you can not hope to comprehend". How long do you think the EU will wait fo…

The UK gets to decide when they trigger the process but the 'official' process can't start until the UK triggers it.

The referendum isn't actually legally binding so in theory article 50 may never get triggered, though as the vote is a reaction against politicians, that would be political suicide.

The final terms will be the result of negotiation and I don't think the UK actually has a good position.

The referendum was always a trap, if UK votes out we're probably screwed, if we voted in it becomes a signal for the political elites for even more political integration (and there seems limited support for that amongst the actual people of Europe)

Got to remember the politicians of the EU don't work for the people - witness how they shafted the people of Greece to save German and French banks, how TTIP is being negotiated in secret and hands more power to corporations etc.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

mtgx wrote: post #91
CommanderData wrote: post #48

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This government is for austerity and cutting public services and expenditure. He is no less a reflection of his party. Next PM's in line: Theresa May: Pro snoopers (spying) charter. I don't like the term police state but her actions are worryingly in line. Boris Johnson? A very charismatic idiot. His selling point being the golden coloured hairy creature that has permanently occupied his scalp. Yes. We have a great l…

Theresa May would be a scary successor indeed, and may even top Cameron as the worst UK leader. UK needs to vote conservatives out, and it needs to reconsider switching the voting system (this time to a proportional representation one).

They probably will at the next election, the trouble is the alternative is looking pretty pathetic.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by rwmj »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #100
thomasfoster96 wrote: post #92

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Prime Ministers in countries that have them are usually the leader of the largest party in the lower house of their Parliament. David Cameron doesn't have to resign immediately, because he's still the leader of the largest party. He's resigning (or rather has announced he will resign before October) because he had certainly given the impression to his party that if 'Remain' didn't win, he'd resign. He could try and s…

So he resigns, but he was elected as a representative in the lower house. That means he won't be PM anymore, and he goes back to being a member of the lower house? Does the house pick one of its own members for the job, or does the majority party get to pick anybody at all that they want to be PM? Do PMs that leave go back to being house members? Seems like that would be kinda weird.

Yes they just become ordinary backbench MPs, although most usually then leave after the following election.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

fahrradflucht wrote: post #60

In my opinion, the most interesting thing he said in that speech is that he doesn't plan to trigger article 50 immediately. That will be controversial in both, the EU and Britain I think.

I wonder if he is hoping for more EU concessions and another referendum. About the only thing that would do it is some restriction on free movement, I don't know how likely that is.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

CommanderData wrote: post #108
Ntrails wrote: post #106

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Nothing to do with that. He threw out the referendum promise in order to secure power, and then failed to get Europe to agree to the headline changes which would easily have secured the vote in his "renegotiation". "Austerity" is not to blame for this. You can argue EU recalcitrance played a part, as did labour party weakness, but it's on him. His legacy will be this vote, this loss, and his failure to see through th…

> "Austerity" is not to blame for this. Austerity would be to blame for this - it contributed to people being more anti-immigrant, though indirectly. Him calling the referendum, the outcome - are related to his parties policies without isolation.

We haven't had austerity in the UK, we have had nothing like what Spain or Greece have had to deal with.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

jacquesm wrote: post #52
monk_e_boy wrote: post #41

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A lot of hate for him came from his inherited wealth. He had no idea how austerity was hitting people. Everyone I know who works has given up going on holiday, buying cars, buying nice food. We're all sick of it. There is plenty of money in the UK and watching a rich PM tell us to tighten our belts.... psh.

Better prepare for some more belt tightening, whether the PM tells you to or not that's the direction this will go in now.

Yes, whatever you think about the debate, now is probably a time for saving.

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Post by simonbarker87 »

pas wrote: post #95
simonbarker87 wrote: post #44

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Really!? Everyone I know who works is very pleased with how the economy has recovered, many friends under 30 have bought a house (without parental help), many are nearing 40% tax bracket and my Facebook feed is full of people going on holiday. Not sure which UK you are living in but the one I'm in is pretty nice - well it was, until this vote. And before you say I'm in some kind of elite I run a small factory in the…

People are more likely to post (and like) holiday pictures than we have no money pictures.

You still need the money to go on holiday in the first place and the OPs point was that working people in the UK can't afford to go on holiday.

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Post by gadders »

mtgx wrote: post #91
CommanderData wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This government is for austerity and cutting public services and expenditure. He is no less a reflection of his party. Next PM's in line: Theresa May: Pro snoopers (spying) charter. I don't like the term police state but her actions are worryingly in line. Boris Johnson? A very charismatic idiot. His selling point being the golden coloured hairy creature that has permanently occupied his scalp. Yes. We have a great l…

Theresa May would be a scary successor indeed, and may even top Cameron as the worst UK leader. UK needs to vote conservatives out, and it needs to reconsider switching the voting system (this time to a proportional representation one).

A referendum was held on proportional representation (one method, at least) and was rejected.
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