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Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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badsock wrote: post #57
adamnemecek wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How's that relevant?

It's dog whistle for "Norway doesn't have black people"

No, it's dog whistle for Norway is full of Norwegians.

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es... Ethnic groups. Norwegian 94.4% (includes Sami, about 60,000), other European 3.6%, other 2% (2007 estimate)

Of whom 80% belong to one religious denomination

Religions. Church of Norway (Evangelical Lutheran - official) 82.1%, other Christian 3.9%, Muslim 2.3%, Roman Catholic 1.8%, other 2.4%, unspecified 7.5% (2011 est.)

Not even a mix of 'white people', not even Baptists and Methodists, just Norwegian Lutherans.

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cm3 wrote: post #89
uola wrote: post #85

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Because they are jelous they can't make as bad a deal as Stockholm did with Arlanda. Express? More seriously, to finance populistic reforms to increase the power of their own party.

What's the background on Arlanda Express. I've used it and wasn't too impressed but it wasn't late or super slow. Though I wouldn't consider it an express connection from the airport to central station compared to what's possible on rails.

Basically the government put up much of the financing but gave a private company monopoly on traffic until 2040. It was sold to venture capital which because of tax planning are paying little to no tax.

The Wikipedia article is fairly complete. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlanda_Express

Re: Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025

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uola wrote: post #112
cm3 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the background on Arlanda Express. I've used it and wasn't too impressed but it wasn't late or super slow. Though I wouldn't consider it an express connection from the airport to central station compared to what's possible on rails.

Basically the government put up much of the financing but gave a private company monopoly on traffic until 2040. It was sold to venture capital which because of tax planning are paying little to no tax. The Wikipedia article is fairly complete. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlanda_Express

And since 2014 it's owned not only by an Australian corp but Aussie and Chinese.

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toomuchtodo wrote: post #84
CalRobert wrote: post #82

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"Every home is a slow charger. Tesla has Superchargers covering most of the first world." I agree with your post, BUT remember that we apartment-dwellers are often forgotten. Few landlords are cool with snaking an extension cable to your car. My own apartment has no parking at all (a good thing, in my view, since parking encourages auto reliance), so I've parked on the street since I moved here. Incidentally, I sold…

Make it mandatory property managers support EV charging stations, as California has done. http://www.propertymanager.com/2015/08/electric-vehicle-char... For apartments with no parking, I agree there is little solution to that other than not owning a vehicle.

"For residential leases signed, renewed or extended on or after July 1, 2015, landlords are required to approve a tenant’s written request to install an electric vehicle charging station at the tenant’s parking space if the tenant enters into a written agreement which includes requirements regarding the installation, use, maintenance and removal of the charging station, requires the tenant pay for all modifications, and requires the tenant to maintain a $1,000,000 general liability insurance policy."

Seems only applicable to people who intend to rent for many many years. If you move, you might need to pay to tear out your EV charging station.

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Post by CalRobert »

aftbit wrote: post #114
toomuchtodo wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make it mandatory property managers support EV charging stations, as California has done. http://www.propertymanager.com/2015/08/electric-vehicle-char... For apartments with no parking, I agree there is little solution to that other than not owning a vehicle.

"For residential leases signed, renewed or extended on or after July 1, 2015, landlords are required to approve a tenant’s written request to install an electric vehicle charging station at the tenant’s parking space if the tenant enters into a written agreement which includes requirements regarding the installation, use, maintenance and removal of the charging station, requires the tenant pay for all modifications,…

A good way to address this would be to unbundle housing from parking. I'd prefer to rent a spot in a neighborhood parking garage, separate from my apartment, where I could charge a vehicle. That would be a huge shift in US building policy, though.

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Post by Skinney »

CuriousSkeptic wrote: post #103
Skinney wrote: post #98

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We tax emissions. This way, a plug-in hybrid is cheaper than a diesel-car, and a pure EV is cheaper than a plug-in hybrid. We also have some special privileges for EV cars. Like free parking on state/county-owned parking places and the option of driving in the public transport lane. Special privileges are supposed to go away in a couple of years though, due to the increase in EV owners. We've had some problems with t…

Point being that EVs might be the wrong thing to promote. Perhaps that market would decide to get rid of commuting altogether, or improve other means of transportation like trains. Perhaps an infrastructure for EVs turns out to be worse in other areas, but now a new dependence on its existance instead of oil, again crests a situation very expensive to get out of? That was what I meant with betting, the reason we have…

Assuming that there is a totally free market in the first place. Norway is a socialist country. All public transportation (and infrastructure) is owned by state or county. That will change somewhat soon, as private companies will be allowed to compete with the national train company. However, the state will still own the train cars and the tracks.

Public transportation is promoted way more than EV. And special EV privileges will disappear over the next couple of years. EV, hydrogen and hybrids will still be cheaper due to us taxing emissions, however.

Not to indicate that Norway doesn't have a free market, it mostly does. Exceptions are alcohol and public transit (state secured monopolies).

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Post by toomuchtodo »

CalRobert wrote: post #115
aftbit wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For residential leases signed, renewed or extended on or after July 1, 2015, landlords are required to approve a tenant’s written request to install an electric vehicle charging station at the tenant’s parking space if the tenant enters into a written agreement which includes requirements regarding the installation, use, maintenance and removal of the charging station, requires the tenant pay for all modifications,…

A good way to address this would be to unbundle housing from parking. I'd prefer to rent a spot in a neighborhood parking garage, separate from my apartment, where I could charge a vehicle. That would be a huge shift in US building policy, though.

Fingers crossed electric self-driving cars negate any need for this sort of complexity in the future.
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