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Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by jevinskie »

gizmo wrote: post #37
blhack wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any sources for that? The story I keep hearing is that she had this set up to make FOIA requests more difficult/impossible to fulfil. The really out there stuff is that this was to hide any cash-for-favors exchanges that happened with relation to The Clinton Foundation.

I can't prove some of the more out-there theories aren't true, but they just don't make sense to me. Given the sheer volume of email she sent from her blackberry (lunch meetings, when to get up, where to go, can you print this, happy birthday, etc) it's pretty clear it's her primary way of communication. So that explains her refusing to take no for an answer from the NSA. If her motivation was to block FOIA requests,…

> then why did she do literally all important and confidential communication on paper

This may not have always been the case.

> Part of the exchange is redacted, so the context of the emails is unknown, but at one point, Sullivan tells Clinton that aides "say they've had issues sending secure fax. They're working on it."

> Clinton responds, "If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-department-releases-more-c...

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by rue »

x0x0 wrote: post #68
at-fates-hands wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are the two obvious one, and another one that's well. . . more in the vein of the Clinton's being the Clinton's IMHO. http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/264655-3-federal-laws-hillar... - Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code make it unlawful to send of store classified information on personal email. - Section 1236.22 of the 2009 National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) requir…

Nothing that links to the daily caller is a serious news source. Plus the article is a pile of stupid innuendo that conflates what Hillary did with Petraeus providing contemporaneously classified documents to his journalist fuckbuddy. Further, clearly nobody in government had a contemporaneous problem with it since they saw the email address every time they communicated with Hillary Clinton. Whenever they sent her an…

My email client just shows the name…

And in any case, “nobody complained about it” isn’t actually a valid legal defense.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by glasz »

untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

much has been said and what comes to mind first is: sheep are sheep.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by glasz »

chatmasta wrote: post #105
maratd wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This feels like the very definition of systematic failure and clearly needs to change. > It's all very depressing. Not at all. Because of this fiasco, every clown with political aspirations will be using an approved and encrypted system instead of rolling their own garbage.

What about the threat of the agency who secures the system simulateously compromising it in order to gain blackmail material on its user?

conspiracy theory.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by tomohawk »

untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

"And no-one on her staff ... was willing to say anything

Doesn't seem to square with:

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3075347/government-it/s...

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by jonwachob91 »

woodman wrote: post #99
jonwachob91 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets not forget the handful (I don't recall the exact number) of emails that Colin Powell sent from his personal account and had clearance adjustments later on. Or the number of Rice's staff who received emails to their personal accounts that were deemed classified after the fact. Lots of chances for many individuals in the IC to step back and develop better procedures. Lets not put ALL the blame on Hillary.

Do we need to preface every discussion with a list of others' bad behavior? I imagine that would distract for the topic under discussion... and you wouldn't want to do that would you?

Well, we could be superficial and only talk about Hillary. OR, and this is crazy but stay with me, we could talk about how this issue happened way back in the early 2000's and no one at the NSA/House addressed the issue then.

A lot of people failed on this issue long before Hillary.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by snappy173 »

untog wrote: post #93
themartorana wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the rationale for not giving everyone secure smartphones? And I mean high-ranking officials, SoS certainly ranks considering how much she/he is in foreign countries with foreign leaders. Can someone in the know explain why the NSA would deny such requests?

Difficult to know for sure. Obama had one, Rice previously used one, but: The NSA refused to give Clinton a device similar to the one used by Obama: a modified BlackBerry 8830 World Edition with additional cryptography installed. And while Clinton's predecessor Condaleeza Rice had obtained waivers for herself and her staff to use BlackBerry devices, Clinton's staff was told that "use [of the BlackBerry] expanded to a…

>Clinton's staff was told that "use [of the BlackBerry] expanded to an unmanageable number of users from a security perspective

if you don't provide a secure way to get shit done, motivated individuals will figure out how to get shit done, security be damned. happens every time. that's what happened here.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by chatmasta »

glasz wrote: post #114
chatmasta wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the threat of the agency who secures the system simulateously compromising it in order to gain blackmail material on its user?

conspiracy theory.

Isn't one of the main arguments against dragnet surveillance the possibility for the surveiling agency to blackmail the politicians who write the laws limiting its power?

The same argument surely applies to targeted surveillance...

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by basseq »

themartorana wrote: post #79
untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

What's the rationale for not giving everyone secure smartphones? And I mean high-ranking officials, SoS certainly ranks considering how much she/he is in foreign countries with foreign leaders. Can someone in the know explain why the NSA would deny such requests?

In all fairness, Obama's use of a smartphone was unprecedented. I read (but cannot find a reasonable source now) that Obama's Blackberry was tethered to a private base station, not any kind of public network, cellular or otherwise. So "secure smartphone" is a term that really means "secure infrastructure".

That infrastructure simply isn't scaleable.

[Edit: See this HN comment for sources. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11306380]

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