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Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by TeMPOraL »

berberous wrote: post #38
cwyers wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But these devices only listen when they hear the wake word ("Ok Google" or "Alexa") It's not like there's a law of physics requiring that always be true, you're trusting that to: A) Be true now, and B) Keep being true in the future. And it's the sort of claim that is very very easy to lie about.

Google and Amazon are huge companies and would face serious liability for falsely advertising that their devices only listened upon hearing the wake word. Moreover, I'm sure someone out there would analyze the network traffic and figure out it did not work as claimed. They have nothing to gain by secretly transmitting data, and everything to lose. State adversaries are a different story. I don't doubt the NSA might s…

I think it would be entirely possible within US legal framework for Echo/Home to be able to selectively switch from "wake word" to "always listening" mode, on the whim of Amazon/Google or a request of the government. Now, if the government isn't stupid about it and would use it selectively, then good luck tracking it down.

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by vthallam »

adpirz wrote: post #48
sergiotapia wrote: post #21

Kind of cringey, feels like I'm watching a Sillicon Valley scene. Machine learning to one-hit reply "Cute dog"? Billions of dollars and these features seem pretty boring.

I feel like it's only getting worse with this Duo rollout. "We call it 'Knock knock' -- now you can not only see who's calling, but see _why_ they're calling" Suddenly Gavin Belson curing cancer with compression seems like a better sell.

Guess I am one of the few who got excited about the Duo launch. I always wanted a Facetime like feature for Android phones, a light weight one which just works unlike Skype/Hangout. Though, I feel they should have wrapper both in a same app(may be hangouts), i feel it's great to have a native video calling from Google.

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by ChuckMcM »

barnacs wrote: post #31

This is just sad. Yet another messaging app. This time with ads built right into your private conversations. And the crowd cheers :(

Presumably you have also seen the IOS keyboard with google (and ads) built right in.

The pattern is pretty clear, one way to drive traffic and ad revenue for the company is to create ways that get you to use Google before you use the platform's chosen search provider, if you do it in Apps you get the "bonus" that you both get the traffic and you don't have to provide the platform provider for sending search traffic your way.

The way this plays out is going to pretty interesting. It gets really interesting if Apple deploys their own web search capability and starts freezing out apps that have a search component and don't use theirs (like the Microsoft phone ecosystem was rumored to do).

Really challenging environment for Google to be in. I'll be expecting lots of similar sorts of things from them in the future.

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by TeMPOraL »

rdtsc wrote: post #69

Duo -- video calling, competitor to Skype? A "knock-knock" feature -- you see a preview of the caller before picking. Uses quic protocol, built by webrtc team, claims seamless transition when connections switch from wifi to cellular. Graceful degradation if network quality goes down. Allo -- video chat, e2e encryption and expiring messages. That looks good but unless someone else audits, I'll be suspicious. Android N…

> New jit compiler, 75% faster app install speed, 50% reduction in speed.

Wait, you mean they made apps install 75% faster but otherwise run 50% slower? That doesn't make much sense...

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by cwyers »

joeld42 wrote: post #99
cwyers wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the ads my Kindle Paperwhite displays as a screensaver, and... no, I'm not worried about Amazon mining my personal information to start doing better ad targeting.

That might be more the fault of the advertisers than Amazon. Amazon knows what books you will like with a high degree of certainty, but they don't always have ads available that are a close match, and some advertisers set their targeting very broadly because they don't care (they want a wide reach, e.g. for rank boosting) or don't know better.

You're probably not too far off (although nowhere else in Amazon's ecosystem have I seen very good recommendations, and most of their advertising elsewhere seems to be just showing me stuff I browsed on Amazon earlier and didn't buy), but if the ad inventory isn't there to really incentivize that sort of targeting, that's the same thing, isn't it?

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by sidcool »

lanestp wrote: post #49

Google knows that this is a developer conference right? I feel like I'm at CES. I don't care about any of their apps unless there is some really cool integrations I can do. Talk API's or this is just noise.

They put a pretty good show on Android Studio and Firebase.

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

microtonal wrote: post #9
Analemma_ wrote: post #3

[Google announces Home, an Echo competitor] This seems cool. Echo is pretty neat but this space could use some competition. ["available later this year"] Ah, so it's doomed. Those four words are a death sentence, particularly from Google's hardware department.

I don't understand why anyone would want to have such a device in their home. How long before they start data mining conversations for better ad targeting? What if a state actor gets access to such devices? Is no one worried at all?

We're basically all worried, but currently, we at least have the option of not buying the damned thing.
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