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Re: Firefox Test Pilot

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Post by sametmax »

rhelmer wrote: post #80
sametmax wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big fan of mozilla and firefox. I've been defending it for years, but now I'm having a hard time. It's slower in almost any case than the competition, from initial rendering to switching tabs. Some stuff hang the page completly. Watching too many videos or scrolling too much twitter slow down the browser to a crawl even after closing all tabs and require a restart. I'm not using firefox out of sheer ideology and supp…

As others have mentioned, while this article is about Test Pilot and focused around how you can help with UX experiments, there are lots of wonderful devs hard at work on platform features. Some are just starting to land after literally years of work: You might be more interested in reading about platform improvements like getting Servo/Rust components into Gecko: https://blog.servo.org/2016/05/09/twis-62/ Or progres…

> As others have mentioned, while this article is about Test Pilot and focused around how you can help with UX experiments, there are lots of wonderful devs hard at work on platform features.

I don't doubt that. I just wish more resource was allocated to that, and less on new features. I do use the "share with twitter" feature, "hello" or the gtk3 integration, but I would trade it for better perf in a blink.

On the other hand, FF never saw a very disruptive feature for years. It could have added integrated torrent download or a kick ass JS/CSS IDE in browser. No perf and no disruption make is less appealing.

I'm not just complaining. I register to all the feedback program from Mozilla I encounter. I donate money to Mozilla. I activate the tracking features in my browser so they can use the metrics and crash reports.

I've been using firefox since it's been called phoenix, and it sadden me that I can't now honestly recommand it to others in any other way than "it's more ethical".

> You might be more interested in reading about platform improvements like getting Servo/Rust components into Gecko: https://blog.servo.org/2016/05/09/twis-62/

I'm dying to see servo in action. For those reasons, and also because I follow closely Rust.

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

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Post by ksec »

stymaar wrote: post #108
ksec wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation: Firefox is not Apple nor Google or Microsoft whom has literally unlimited resources. By having engineers on Test Pilot they are having less resources to do what he think is important Personal Take: Completely agree. I am opening up Firefox with Panarama Mode missing, Pocket, Hello. And BTW, e10s hasn't shipped yet, and at the current timeline, even if it ship in Firefox 49/50 it will still not be any goo…

> I see light of hope in Servo. But liscenses ( MPL? Why not Apache 2.0 ) are a concern for a few company to join and devote resources into it. Copyleft licences are often the best way to go in this kind of situations: thanks to the GPL, Linux remained one until Google forked it for Android. And 15 years after its beginning, there is no fragmentation in the kernel space. On the other hand, BSD has been forked many ti…

I am not against Copyleft at all, but MPL in particular because no one is using it apart from Mozilla. They could have use GPL or LGPL instead.

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

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Post by seeekr »

rhelmer wrote: post #85
joosters wrote: post #82

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The problem is that many of the slowdowns I experience in Firefox are due to existing bugs, so I'm not at all confident that adding brand new code to the browser is going to solve anything. And the rewrite isn't likely to fix slowdowns, because unless the developers figure out what is causing the performance problems, rewritten code won't magically fix it.

Oh, I forgot to mention in my sibling comment - extensions are frequently pinpointed as the cause of (or a contributing factor to) performance problems. Additionally, many of them rely on older features in the Mozilla architecture, which makes it very hard to fix without breaking extensions that people rely on. While there has been and continues to be significant work in this area, the Web Extensions project has been…

Correct link: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebExtensions

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

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Post by tachion »

6a68 wrote: post #64
mrmondo wrote: post #62

Honestly all I want from Firefox is better stability and performance - I don't care about almost anything else barring security. Firefox has become so unstable and slow (on OSX at least) that many people I know - myself included have switched to chromium. We don't want to use it but we have to because of all the crashes and massive slowdowns during long running sessions or when many tabs are open. This goes for stabl…

Test Pilot isn't happening at the cost of stability and performance improvements. It's a complementary program that helps us ship better features through data-driven iteration. I hear your concerns, though. The platform and desktop teams are doing tons of great work on improving stability and performance--you might want to give Firefox another try sometime. If you do, maybe try out some Test Pilot experiments while y…

Same here, I was using Firefox on Mac for years, but recently I had to move away from it because it was the most CPU/RAM consuming process on my machine, constantly lagging, hanging, crashing... I'd love to get back, but you guys need to improve the performance at least up to Chrome levels, if not Safari. As other people here, I dont care for builtin Pocket and whatever else, because I can get most of things via plugins - I can't do that for browser performance though ;)

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

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Post by toyg »

This is a step in the right direction. No more should crap like Pocket land in FF without warning. Making new features, which might be controversial, go through a "preview" stage like this, should help restore a lot of faith in the development process, and show that Mozilla is again focusing on the browser rather than random me-too projects following the latest web-fad.

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

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Post by mrmondo »

6a68 wrote: post #64
mrmondo wrote: post #62

Honestly all I want from Firefox is better stability and performance - I don't care about almost anything else barring security. Firefox has become so unstable and slow (on OSX at least) that many people I know - myself included have switched to chromium. We don't want to use it but we have to because of all the crashes and massive slowdowns during long running sessions or when many tabs are open. This goes for stabl…

Test Pilot isn't happening at the cost of stability and performance improvements. It's a complementary program that helps us ship better features through data-driven iteration. I hear your concerns, though. The platform and desktop teams are doing tons of great work on improving stability and performance--you might want to give Firefox another try sometime. If you do, maybe try out some Test Pilot experiments while y…

Hi, thank you for taking the time to reply. FYI - I have been using firefox every day as my primary browser for the past 4 or so years and have only switched to chromium in the past month, I still have two versions of FF installed and they're just so unreliable I can't bring myself to rely upon them - especially at work where I'm in the browser a lot. It's most definitely got _worse_ for me in the past year rather than better.

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

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Post by eklavya »

tachion wrote: post #114
6a68 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Test Pilot isn't happening at the cost of stability and performance improvements. It's a complementary program that helps us ship better features through data-driven iteration. I hear your concerns, though. The platform and desktop teams are doing tons of great work on improving stability and performance--you might want to give Firefox another try sometime. If you do, maybe try out some Test Pilot experiments while y…

Same here, I was using Firefox on Mac for years, but recently I had to move away from it because it was the most CPU/RAM consuming process on my machine, constantly lagging, hanging, crashing... I'd love to get back, but you guys need to improve the performance at least up to Chrome levels, if not Safari. As other people here, I dont care for builtin Pocket and whatever else, because I can get most of things via plug…

I don't know why it is that way for you. I switched to Firefox on mac exactly for this reason. Safari and Chrome were consuming too many resources. Firefox is nice, fast and stable (for me at least).

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

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Post by jamespo »

stymaar wrote: post #110
ksec wrote: post #104

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He is not, it is not rare to have 120 tabs, in fact some extreme even have 400+ Tabs openned. Today is rather lightweight for me and has 70 Tabs. Of coz these wont be all loaded, Once you close and reopen those tabs will be unloaded. They are more like a list of things to read and do.

I currently have 753 tabs open on this computer alone :p But as you say, it's not a problem at all because there are not loaded until I go back to them. The only issue I have with massive number of tabs, is the start-up time of the browser, which increase dramatically with the number of tabs (it's at least quadratic).

The only solution to this would be effective treatment for ADHD I think

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

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Post by mistermann »

ksec wrote: post #104
simula67 wrote: post #101

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> 120 tabs open at any given time Are you exaggerating ? If not, may I suggest an alternative way to browse the web ? I use multiple virtual desktops. Each desktop logically caters to one task. Each browser window is logically grouped under one activity. For example my desktop may look like this : Virtual Desktop 1 ( Communications ): * Outlook * Lync * Flowdock etc Virtual Desktop 2 ( Development ): * ConEmu/ Comman…

He is not, it is not rare to have 120 tabs, in fact some extreme even have 400+ Tabs openned. Today is rather lightweight for me and has 70 Tabs. Of coz these wont be all loaded, Once you close and reopen those tabs will be unloaded. They are more like a list of things to read and do.

> Of coz these wont be all loaded, Once you close and reopen those tabs will be unloaded.

That's how it's supposed to work, but for me the tabs seem to consume memory even when they're not loaded (after a restart). I completely can't understand how this is a difficult thing to implement properly.

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