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Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Post by OneOneOneOne »

jakelarkin wrote: post #101
OneOneOneOne wrote: post #16

Part of me wonders why only 6 years. It doesn't seem like someone who would do this has much respect for the sport.

I dunno, it seems pretty harsh given that drug doping cases on the men's side only receive 2 to 4 years for a first offense [1] and given it's not something she could have gone out and done on her own - coach and mechanics must have been highly complicit and were probably driving the use of the cheat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cyclin...

None of those guys showed up with a 'motorcycle.'

Granted the motor didn't do all the work. I think she would have used a more powerful motor if she could have gotten away with it.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Post by joezydeco »

fahadkhan wrote: post #65
shpx wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should install Bluetooth sniffers before steep sections, it would be cool to see a little ping on the radio and then watch one of the racers magically pull ahead.

Cyclist also (legally) use wireless candance, speed, power, gear ratio, heart rate sensors, etc. Though they're normally ANT+ and not Bluetooth.

Cheaters will also find a loophole. Jammers and etc aren't worth talking about.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Post by Coding_Cat »

celticninja wrote: post #25
maxerickson wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even rather casual cyclists will want something as light as possible and the in-frame hub drive arrangement has nice aesthetics.

Yes but casual cyclists will not pay €2499 for the pleasure of doing so

2499 is a pretty reasonable price for an electric bike though.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Post by imtringued »

ars wrote: post #54
chinathrow wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's common. 18 hits in: http://www.thefinancials.com/Default.aspx?SubSectionID=curfo... Writing code is not that tough in Europe - just use a proper i18n library.

> Writing code is not that tough in Europe - just use a proper i18n library. That only goes so far - the actual code you write has to use decimal commas. You can't even export, say a list of numbers, and then directly copy that in to your code. Or for example: Use SQL to print a list of numbers to use for testing queries. If you used i18n, all the numbers would have decimal commas, so you can't combine them with a co…

I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about calling a function like parseInteger(userEnteredNumber, defaultLocale) on user input and then calling something like formatInteger(numberToBeOutputted, defaultLocate) on numbers that will be shown to the users. Programming languages already have a fixed representation for decimal numbers that will be used regardless of the user locale which is generally always with a dot for the decimal seperator and often there are no thousand seperators.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Post by joezydeco »

falcolas wrote: post #104
giarc wrote: post #88

>She also said that this bike was taken by accident by her helpers to the pit area. >She claimed that he had put a motor in unbeknownst to her What is with athletes and never admitting their mistakes. You were caught, I would have much more respect for someone if they just came out and said "Yes, I did it, I take full responsibility." Instead they come up with these ridiculous excuses that do nothing but continue to…

Well, if you notice, the team was also fined for some odd millions of dollars. If the athlete were to admit culpability, they could probably also be successfully sued by the team to cover their costs.

Not to mention sponsors. That's where the real pain comes in.

The USPS has been trying to claim back the $40 million they gave Lance Armstrong over 6 years of sponsorship.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Post by bostonpete »

giarc wrote: post #88

>She also said that this bike was taken by accident by her helpers to the pit area. >She claimed that he had put a motor in unbeknownst to her What is with athletes and never admitting their mistakes. You were caught, I would have much more respect for someone if they just came out and said "Yes, I did it, I take full responsibility." Instead they come up with these ridiculous excuses that do nothing but continue to…

Sharapova immediately took full responsibility for her recent failed test -- though in her case it seems likely it was an honest mistake...

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Post by geon »

tdaltonc wrote: post #40
skybrian wrote: post #29

Are there any competitions where this sort of motor assist is legal? It seems like that might be an interesting sport.

I think it would be interesting to have a league where these are legal, but you have to start the race with a dead battery and change it with resistive breaking. Mostly, I'd like that league to exist so that there would be an incentive for high-end innovation.

The novel Free Radical by Shamus Young has a great description of something similar.

http://www.shamusyoung.com/shocked/main.php?21

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Post by gus_massa »

mirekrusin wrote: post #97

Why do they care about such a niche/illegal market, this idea is fantastic, imagine Boris bikes in London for example - they could recharge batteries when docked, it would be awesome to have this kind of engine in those tank-bikes. Extra points - please distribute heat on the handles because it's often cold. Thank you.

I guess the motors are expensive, and you can only put them in an expensive bike that is not left alone in the middle of the street. (Perhaps some day the thieves will usually carry a detector for motors ...)

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Post by oh_sigh »

bostonpete wrote: post #116
giarc wrote: post #88

>She also said that this bike was taken by accident by her helpers to the pit area. >She claimed that he had put a motor in unbeknownst to her What is with athletes and never admitting their mistakes. You were caught, I would have much more respect for someone if they just came out and said "Yes, I did it, I take full responsibility." Instead they come up with these ridiculous excuses that do nothing but continue to…

Sharapova immediately took full responsibility for her recent failed test -- though in her case it seems likely it was an honest mistake...

It was a mistake that she didn't check that her drug was banned, but it wasn't a mistake taking the drug. Usually you would take that drug for a couple of weeks. She was taking it for 5+ years, for its doping powers.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Post by albedoa »

giarc wrote: post #88

>She also said that this bike was taken by accident by her helpers to the pit area. >She claimed that he had put a motor in unbeknownst to her What is with athletes and never admitting their mistakes. You were caught, I would have much more respect for someone if they just came out and said "Yes, I did it, I take full responsibility." Instead they come up with these ridiculous excuses that do nothing but continue to…

If you're interested in this topic, the world of poker is ripe with cheaters and their apologists. This is the most recent scandal from just last week (the cheater shows up with a lousy attempt at defending himself):

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip-spons...

No matter how many of these I see, I'll never fully understand their mindset. It is fascinating though.

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