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Xamarin Open-Sourced
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not a Google fanboy, I am merely saying they abide by the spirit of Open Source. I just used them as an example. RedHat is another example. > Google has also managed to use the patents to sue other companies including Microsoft. Can you post a link to Google suing Microsoft first (not in retaliation)? Google was way behind in the patent game until they got hurt. Google bought Motorola to have a defensive patent…
Google replaced their XMPP messaging system by Hangouts, a 100% closed protocol with no signs of even wanting to open source it. From a FOSS pov, both Google and Microsoft have positive and negative sides to it. They're massive companies, you can't judge them as one giant blob. What MS is doing right now with .NET is fantastic for open source. Just like what Google is doing right now with Hangouts is frankly bullshit…
Google's treatment of open messaging, albeit terrible, has nothing to do with its patent behavior.
Apple, Microsoft, Oracle, and many other companies are known aggressors who use software patents as weapons of war to destroy competition and extort other companies. Google has consistently refused to participate in such immoral behavior without first being attacked by similarly sized companies.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
.NET CORE is exactly this ( https://github.com/dotnet/cli ) 'dotnet build' to build it.
yes and no of course ... yes dotnet cli will be exactly this and it will be GREAT (IMO) but it isn't actually "out" yet (you can get your hands on it but it will be buggy) still, will be 100% fantastic.
I've been using it on a production project. Life hasn't been smooth, but once Its totally functional.
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#114Now only if .NET adoption on Linux would pick back up like when Mono was pushing it. .NET is a great environment for developing desktop applications and Linux really needs them.
I built a website that just went live a few days ago (still crazy ugly). It is .NET core on Ubuntu using various Azure Services (nothing fancy, just standard ecommerce... but still):
The biggest hurdle has been dependencies, but support has been improving a lot every month. Getting deployed was initially a pain, but I've found a way to make it smooth. I think soon i'll be writing up how I deal with it. I deploy about 3 times a day without interruption on my single server behind an nginix reverse proxy.
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#115Honestly, I am a little tired of all the articles (edit: I meant posts) claiming MS is suddenly in the Open Source camp. To truly support Open Source, they should show a willingness to work against Software Patents. The essence of Open Source is the freedom for anyone with a computer to turn their imagination into code. MS remains one of the biggest obstacles in that path. Instead here is what they do: 1) Directly at…
>Honestly, say what you will about Google, but I can't imagine them ever threatening another software company with software patents. That is a naive fanboy outlook towards a company. Its a well known fact that Google bought Motorola only for the patents. Google has also managed to use the patents to sue other companies including Microsoft. Although I still believe it is the game that is flawed and not the players. Go…
>That is a naive fanboy outlook towards a company
Last time I checked Microsoft was still threatening Android OEM's with their prior art ridden / pile of junk patents (M-CAM analysis). I don't believe Google has ever used patents for offensive purposes, but Microsoft continues to collect quite a bit of money from shaking down Android OEM's.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well I will most certainly agree there is "publicly accessible" source, which is essentially what Microsoft, Facebook, and the likes have, where you can view the code, but getting a pull request accepted requires signing a CLA (with varying levels of avarice) and conforming to the goals of the organization, rather than the project. (Actually I will defend facebook by saying their CLA is not that egregious, and accord…
Well I will most certainly agree there is "publicly accessible" source, It's not just publicly accessible, it's MIT licensed with a patent grant. You could take the code, modify it in literally any way you want, wrap it in a commercial product and resell it. It doesn't come more free or open source without actually being public domain. What you're asking for appears to be some sort of 'super open source' where not on…
> wrap it in a commercial product and resell it.
The PATENTS.txt file seems to suggest otherwise, you must stay within the bounds of "covered code". IANAL so I do not know what the side effects of this seemingly intersection of their patent/license coverage curtails, but it does seem like you lose protection and could have a Android/Oracle situation if you innovate something on top of the core CLR outside of the 'covered' bounds and then decided to sell it.
There's a slightly older writeup about it here http://endsoftpatents.org/2014/11/ms-net/
In any case, as the name suggests, it's only a promise, not a guarantee of rights.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's be clear, this isn't left-pad we are talking about - these are MASSIVE projects which are in some cases 16+ years old. Personally, I find the fastest way to get up to speed is on projects of this size is to usually jump into IRC, find a mentor and start sending in documentation patches. Here the engineers for the runtime, framework, compiler teams are hanging out in Gitter and engaging with the community out in…
How do you start documenting software that you don't know well? That seems like a very good way for bad documentation to get out, damaging the project. Perhaps this is my impostor syndrome talking, but I for one would be hesitant to tempt the wrath of the Great Unseen Masters that make open source software with potentially inane questions.
Overtime, common repetitive questions will surface in conversation. Identify these patterns, write up FAQ/documentation and submit them via the pull-request process. The Great Unseen Masters will typically be grateful and respond with dumping their brain or corrections as they would normally do so in a code review. Eventually, over time, this will build up into something they can point newbies towards to RTFM so the community does not burn out answering the same questions over and over.
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#118Honestly, I am a little tired of all the articles (edit: I meant posts) claiming MS is suddenly in the Open Source camp. To truly support Open Source, they should show a willingness to work against Software Patents. The essence of Open Source is the freedom for anyone with a computer to turn their imagination into code. MS remains one of the biggest obstacles in that path. Instead here is what they do: 1) Directly at…
>Honestly, say what you will about Google, but I can't imagine them ever threatening another software company with software patents. That is a naive fanboy outlook towards a company. Its a well known fact that Google bought Motorola only for the patents. Google has also managed to use the patents to sue other companies including Microsoft. Although I still believe it is the game that is flawed and not the players. Go…
Google purchased Motorola for the patents as a defensive measure, so they ward of suits from Apple, MS and Intellectual Ventures. Google has NEVER sued another company over patents. Examine the timeline of patent suits on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone_patent_wars
It's all Apple and Microsoft, and then Samsung started firing shots at Apple in retaliation. Google has never gone offensive with a patent suit.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lets agree there are levels of open-ness and not being a Gnu-level or RedHat level OSS does not mean the contributions are not worth it nor should not be acknowledged.
Well I will most certainly agree there is "publicly accessible" source, which is essentially what Microsoft, Facebook, and the likes have, where you can view the code, but getting a pull request accepted requires signing a CLA (with varying levels of avarice) and conforming to the goals of the organization, rather than the project. (Actually I will defend facebook by saying their CLA is not that egregious, and accord…
If you have a strong objection then you are free to fork it and do whatever you want. If other people feel the same you can build a community around your fork.
It's FOSS.
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#120I'm glad to see Microsoft embracing Open-Source, C# is such a wonderful language and easy language to use. In light of all the trouble Oracle has been giving Google, I would love to see them embrace it and provide a true alternative to Java on Android.
Microsoft will need to revise their patent pledge first. If you look at the way it's currently written, it's almost as if it was specifically meant to preserve their option to pull an Oracle v Google against a vendor who decides to pick up .NET and run with it. Meanwhile, Google has switched away from their Apache Harmony derivative to the officially anointed sources, so there's not much incentive to make the move aw…
How so?