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Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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How is survaillance of the entire population not a waste of time and money if it's not ultimately intended to catch criminals?

Define "criminals" in the context of a panopticon.

Why would the definition change in that context?

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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Thankfully because there's no roaming in the EU, there's absolutely no other way to get an unregistered SIM card to work in Germany..

There is roaming in the EU, but it's not cheap - but that is changing very soon https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/roaming-tariff... At which point you can just get your anonymous SIM from any EU country that still issues unregistered SIMs. Edit: I may have missed the sarcasm in the parent post..

Roaming in the EU is cheap. On pay-as-you-go (prepaid), it's cheaper for me to send a text or make a call from Germany than it is back home here in the UK.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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Define "criminals" in the context of a panopticon.

Why would the definition change in that context?

I think his point is that when you watch anyone long enough, they become criminals. So if you watch everyone, everyone becomes a criminal.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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post #21

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I think it is sort of pointless. You have free wifis pretty much everywhere now. You don't really need a SIM card to communicate - even by voice - with other people. What will happen then? Starbuck will need to ask for your ID when you connect to their wifi? Russia is doing pretty much that with internet cafes. These control freaks need to get over the idea that they will achieve electronically a level of government…

> I think it is sort of pointless. You have free wifis pretty much everywhere now. Not where I was going in Australia! The Optus network only worked when it felt like it, and that was just 350km from Sydney.

Australia is particularly bad at the Internet because of state meddling. But Australians like a large amount of state meddling, so don't expect this to change any time soon.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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Define "criminals" in the context of a panopticon.

Why would the definition change in that context?

For example the case of the social scientist Andrej Holm (https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrej_Holm&oldid... - in German) who researched in the internet using some keywords ("Gentrification" and "Prekarisierung" (casualization)) that were also used by the terror group mg (militante gruppe ("militant group")) and thus got into the crossfire of the surveillance state.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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post #23

I didn't realise it wasn't possible. I've always been asked for ID.

You could buy those "Sets" at ALDI for example. You would still have to register it somehow. I did it once on a public phone stating fake information. Phone stopped working after few weeks.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

#117
I live in Germany. In general Germans are very privacy conscious, due to, as others have mentioned in this thread, experiences with the Stasi. Up until recently with the refugee situation, border control hasn't been too strict, and agents generally don't berate you with questions if you possess validate documents.

This pisses me off, and I wager a large portion of the German populace. Let's hope this goes down in flames.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

#118

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There is roaming in the EU, but it's not cheap - but that is changing very soon https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/roaming-tariff... At which point you can just get your anonymous SIM from any EU country that still issues unregistered SIMs. Edit: I may have missed the sarcasm in the parent post..

Roaming in the EU is cheap. On pay-as-you-go (prepaid), it's cheaper for me to send a text or make a call from Germany than it is back home here in the UK.

Are you sure you're roaming? Or did you buy a pay-as-you-go local SIM? I'm unaware of any provider who actually discounts texts/calls while roaming. Three in the UK charge you the same price in some European countries but that's the best deal I know of.

Roaming is using your SIM outside the geographical coverage area of the home network.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would the definition change in that context?

I think his point is that when you watch anyone long enough, they become criminals. So if you watch everyone, everyone becomes a criminal.

Possibly, but that doesn't change the definition of "criminals".

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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post #68

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Probably a decade away, but Turkey is in the process of turning into a nondemocratic state, as is Hungary. Suppose the Syrian civil war spreads to Turkey (which already has its own ongoing conflict against its Kurdish minority). The collapse of Turkey would dump tens of millons more refugees into Germany. A few years of that and the people running on a platform of expelling Turks at gunpoint might start becoming popu…

Comparing Hungary to Turkey is insulting for Hungarians. Just because they oppose some mainstream EU bullshit does not make them less democratic than Germany or France (in fact I would consider Hungary MORE democractic).

It is a little bit difficult to find websites that represent Hungary's point of view in the controversial issues, though I'm pretty sure that the common presentation (that is biased towards the EU one) is not the whole truth...
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