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Re: Andy Grove has died

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Post by dang »

cb18 wrote: post #108
dang wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11334283 and marked it off-topic.

So straight-up censorship is a thing on HN now? I don't know how this could be argued off-topic when it directly pertained to the parent comment. If anything the parent comment was off-topic, and I found it unseemly that oska would use the occasion of Mr. Grove's death to promote a political agenda. I felt compelled in the interest of Mr. Grove's memory to point out the flaws in oska's statement. Was this really a jo…

I wouldn't call it censorship, but that word has so many different meanings.

I didn't see oska's comment as particularly political but now that you mention it I suppose we could have just marked the whole subthread off-topic. Your reply, though, certainly was, since it stopped being about Grove and went into racial speculations... a bad sign on HN at the best of times. Also the going on about downvoting was super off topic and explicitly against the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Most importantly, though, thanks for taking the time to also express good will. That was nice of you and I really appreciate it.

Re: Andy Grove has died

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Post by Vegard7 »

jmspring wrote: post #81
setpatchaddress wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is viewing the past with rose-tinted glasses. I recall the same exact complaints being leveled at the 1980's tech generation.

I'm being selective about comparisons, but it's a matter or proportion, and things then were way more subdued. Ellison, Jobs (mainly on the woodside mansion and not being charity oriented), Clark, etc certainly contrast with those I mentioned. I think 80s-90s had seriously strong personalities emerge that get to the core of what you mention. Yet around that was much more down to earth philanthropy, etc. I don't see t…

I think it depends on the route they take up the mountain. You can be brilliant or you can be brilliant at taking shortcuts.

The shortcut takers are generally more insecure and that manifests in different behavior once they reach the top.

Re: Andy Grove has died

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Post by hkmurakami »

akamaka wrote: post #2

For those who are interested in knowing more about Andy Grove and the early days of Intel, I highly recommend Tedlow's biography. Of all the biographies or business histories I've read, I can't think of one which does a better job of making you feel like you're hanging out with him, hearing his war stories, and getting a real feel for what kind of guy he was and what drove him and his company to success. http://www.a…

Just wanted to mention that in the last several hours, the price of a used hardcover copy of the book on Amazon has gone from $0.01 to $2.93 (which probably represents about 30 copies sold).

Actually kind of incredible to see this sort of inventory change happen in real time.

(I bought the cheapest "very good" condition item for $0.41 + shipping)

Re: Andy Grove has died

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Post by _yosefk »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #102
yuhong wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, I know the history. The point being that Intel buying say Compaq would obviously allow them to claim Compaq's profits instead, and maybe eventually driving all other PC makers out of business (by the low margins) instead of making the same undifferentiable "beige boxes".

I was thinking he meant buying x86 competitors or burying them via patents. Intel both patents and buys patents on plenty of CPU-related tech, esp for x86 compatibility. Alpha and Transmeta CPU's come to mind immediately. Things just kept disappearing until we were down to basically three companies: Intel, AMD, and VIA. AMD had to pay Intel for I.P. with VIA being a niche player running losses despite some good tech.…

Everyone else (ARM etc.) has a monopoly on the ISA or they don't even publish it (NVIDIA etc.) Intel actually makes perhaps the most open commercially significant platform.

Re: Andy Grove has died

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Post by bestham »

akamaka wrote: post #2

For those who are interested in knowing more about Andy Grove and the early days of Intel, I highly recommend Tedlow's biography. Of all the biographies or business histories I've read, I can't think of one which does a better job of making you feel like you're hanging out with him, hearing his war stories, and getting a real feel for what kind of guy he was and what drove him and his company to success. http://www.a…

Tedlow did a wonderful Google Talk about his book:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7yqwOI0-SQ

Re: Andy Grove has died

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Post by akamaka »

bestham wrote: post #117
akamaka wrote: post #2

For those who are interested in knowing more about Andy Grove and the early days of Intel, I highly recommend Tedlow's biography. Of all the biographies or business histories I've read, I can't think of one which does a better job of making you feel like you're hanging out with him, hearing his war stories, and getting a real feel for what kind of guy he was and what drove him and his company to success. http://www.a…

Tedlow did a wonderful Google Talk about his book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7yqwOI0-SQ

Wow, cool, thanks for sharing this!

Re: Andy Grove has died

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Post by dom96 »

hkmurakami wrote: post #114
akamaka wrote: post #2

For those who are interested in knowing more about Andy Grove and the early days of Intel, I highly recommend Tedlow's biography. Of all the biographies or business histories I've read, I can't think of one which does a better job of making you feel like you're hanging out with him, hearing his war stories, and getting a real feel for what kind of guy he was and what drove him and his company to success. http://www.a…

Just wanted to mention that in the last several hours, the price of a used hardcover copy of the book on Amazon has gone from $0.01 to $2.93 (which probably represents about 30 copies sold). Actually kind of incredible to see this sort of inventory change happen in real time. (I bought the cheapest "very good" condition item for $0.41 + shipping)

It's incredibly cheap in comparison to the UK. Guess there just aren't as many used copies here.
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