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Here's the somewhat ironic "catch 22" to the whole thing: If you're a startup and you don't take VC funding, then you have the luxury of simply enjoying organic growth and funding expansion by re-investing profits into the company. Well, as long as you can do that in the face of competitive pressure. Strictly speaking, unless it's a "network effect" situation like a social network, you probably don't need to grow fas…

> unless it's a "network effect" situation like a social network, you probably don't need to grow fast. Uber seems like a weird example of this. It was said (and remains said) that they're operating in a winner-take-all space, and they expanded as if they were a social network. Despite the aggressive expansion and marketing, a majority of people I know in the Bay Area now use Lyft exculsively. The last few times I've…

Really makes me happy to hear that Uber is being punished for all the sketchy shit they've pulled over the last couple of years. I thought I was the only one who went for Lyft.

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#112
post #88

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This is ad hominem, anything substantial about the content of the sources?

You mean apart from their financial and personal incentives? No, not much else. I'm sorry, at some part you draw a line. My line is disparaging the clock that's not even right twice a day isn't considered ad hominem. Same reason my source about racial discrimination isn't Stormfront, and my source about startups isn't Vox. Also I wouldn't take what Breitbart has to say about sexist issues at face value either. I'm ex…

Not sure why I'm bothering to respond, but here are the same stories from a bunch of other publications. My initial comment was just a quick Google search, so the originals and highest SEO'd articles win out. Feel free to accept whichever one you deem a "good enough" source:

[6]: http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-ra-self-inflicte...

[7]: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/18/uber-worst...

[8]: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/18/uber-exec-...

[9]: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/ubers-boys-club-wha...

[10]: http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-avions-de-chasse-promoti...

[11]: http://www.fastcompany.com/3037552/uber-cancels-sexist-hot-c...

[12]: http://www.newsweek.com/uber-taxi-e-hailing-riding-app-travi...

[13]: http://www.gq.com/story/uber-cab-confessions?currentPage=1

[14]: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/opinion/we-cant-trust-uber...

[15]: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/emil-michael-of-ube...

[16]: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/acting-like-jer...

[17]: http://www.alternet.org/7-evil-things-uber-did-2014-you-shou...

[18]: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2014/12/uber-travis-kalanick-...

[19]: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/uber-scandals-timeline-michiga...

It's trivial to verify that a source has the right story, so once verified then conversations should shift from debating the accuracy of the source to the consequences of the story itself.

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#113
post #87

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I always take Lyft over Uber because they actually TELL YOU THE COLOR OF THE CAR on the app. Uber not showing you the color of the drivers car is one of the weirdest UI decisions I can ever remember. Yeah, that's one thing Lyft definitely go right. For the life of me, I can't understand why Uber doesn't do that as well.

It might stem from Uber's roots, since all of the Uber Black cars are by definition black. It is pretty annoying when using their billions of other offerings -- not everyone can spot a particular Honda Civic from two blocks away.

I took a white town car on UberBLACK back in the day. It was pretty cool, it had a disco ball and pink lights inside.

Re: Valley VCs Sit on Cash, Forcing Startups to Dial Back Ambition

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post #113
post #87

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It might stem from Uber's roots, since all of the Uber Black cars are by definition black. It is pretty annoying when using their billions of other offerings -- not everyone can spot a particular Honda Civic from two blocks away.

I took a white town car on UberBLACK back in the day. It was pretty cool, it had a disco ball and pink lights inside.

Interesting, I've used it a bunch over the years and never encountered a non-black car. Which is actually kind of silly when you think about it -- a silver Mercedes is just as classy as a black one, if that's what you're concerned with (I'm actually more interested in getting a livery driver who knows what they're doing).

Re: Valley VCs Sit on Cash, Forcing Startups to Dial Back Ambition

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post #3

It's really weird how this article tries to frame the situation. It's almost like the startups feel entitled to the funding. The point of funding should really be to enable faster growth than they might otherwise have been able to achieve, but if a business can't at least survive without huge influxes of investments then is it really a business that they should be investing in in the first place?

No, funding should not necessarily be used to enable faster growth. It can also be used for development, for refining product/market fit, etc.

A lot of businesses would never be able to survive their early years without outside funding.

Now, do a lot of flimsy startups feel entitled to funding? Yes. That is a problem.

Re: Valley VCs Sit on Cash, Forcing Startups to Dial Back Ambition

#116
post #3

It's really weird how this article tries to frame the situation. It's almost like the startups feel entitled to the funding. The point of funding should really be to enable faster growth than they might otherwise have been able to achieve, but if a business can't at least survive without huge influxes of investments then is it really a business that they should be investing in in the first place?

Here's the somewhat ironic "catch 22" to the whole thing: If you're a startup and you don't take VC funding, then you have the luxury of simply enjoying organic growth and funding expansion by re-investing profits into the company. Well, as long as you can do that in the face of competitive pressure. Strictly speaking, unless it's a "network effect" situation like a social network, you probably don't need to grow fas…

I agree, but I think you may be overly optimistic about the viability of bootstrapping indefinitely.

If you're sustainably harvesting profits from your niche then eventually that's going to attract other firms, some of whom are going to be big fish that can dump a lot of marketing and sales spend, take your customers and acquire the sustainable profits you've been harvesting.

There are exceptions for when people have really strong "moats", but defensible moats are a lot harder to come by than people realize.

Re: Valley VCs Sit on Cash, Forcing Startups to Dial Back Ambition

#117
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the somewhat ironic "catch 22" to the whole thing: If you're a startup and you don't take VC funding, then you have the luxury of simply enjoying organic growth and funding expansion by re-investing profits into the company. Well, as long as you can do that in the face of competitive pressure. Strictly speaking, unless it's a "network effect" situation like a social network, you probably don't need to grow fas…

> unless it's a "network effect" situation like a social network, you probably don't need to grow fast. Uber seems like a weird example of this. It was said (and remains said) that they're operating in a winner-take-all space, and they expanded as if they were a social network. Despite the aggressive expansion and marketing, a majority of people I know in the Bay Area now use Lyft exculsively. The last few times I've…

Weird. I've experienced a similar thing, except most people I know haven't given up on Uber, they just prefer Lyft. Not sure why.

And I don't think network effect is all that sustainable of a competitive advantage here. Switching costs are just downloading a new app and entering your credit card information.

Frankly, I think this market is still open in the very long term.

Re: Valley VCs Sit on Cash, Forcing Startups to Dial Back Ambition

#119
post #79

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Uber == Nazi Germany

Despite the comment you replied to having no substance, I honestly wonder if people associate Uber with German and German with something negative.

Thats a funny point.
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