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Mandrill’s Betrayal

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Re: Mandrill’s Betrayal

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is where we're at too. We've long been evangelizing Mailchimp and Mandrill in our product, and as a result have sent plenty of customers their way. In fact, our product almost relies on them as a pair. Now, because of the ToS, we have to remove it from our product and port our users somewhere else...and fast. We also have to port our own servers to another service, and fast. I remember the day we finally had eno…

> We also have to port our own servers to another service, and fast. Once you've done that you should look at what other services you rely significantly upon and see about mitigating the risk there by having an alternative ready to go (or even sharing the load). At a previous startup we realised we relied wholly upon Mandrill and so reimplemented the sending code so that half of the emails went out via Mandrill and t…

We're doing the same. I re-wrote our code over the weekend from sending solely through Mandrill, to splitting our traffic 50/50 between SendGrid and SparkPost. I'm going to implement a similar strategy for some other external services we rely on and I've open sourced the Go code [1].

This also has the benefit that if one service goes down, we can automatically fallback to the other with (hopefully) no downtime. Most email providers have a limit to what you can send until you're established with them, so using another provider as a standard backup isn't feasible, as suddenly sending 1,000's of emails a day will see the account get suspended pretty quickly.

Plus, if one of them goes out of business or changes their terms with little notice, like Mandrill, we should have a bit more time to work around it as at least one service will work.

[1]: https://github.com/dchesterton/go-service

Re: Mandrill’s Betrayal

#112
post #15

It's way worse than just the TOS change. Mandrill has a lot of advanced features (webhooks, reporting, AB testing, templates, etc). Some companies may be able to switch to SES or mailgun in a day, but more advanced integrations could take weeks. We're stuck with either pulling people off critical project in order to meet their ridiculously short deadline, or pay insane bills (the new price is over 4x the price we sig…

Agreed, I'm surprised the 4x price increase is not mentioned more often. Personally I can understand moving away from a free offering, especially if they're having trouble with spammers, but to quadruple pricing out of the blue? For sites, like mine, built around a huge amount of transactional email (scheduling group gaming sessions and notifying your group by email), a 4x increase is essentially no different than just shutting down. They have their reasons, and now I have mine, to never use a mailchimp product again.

Re: Mandrill’s Betrayal

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post #52

Big win for Mailgun, huge loss for MailChimp. They just stabbed developers in the back. Take note kids: this is a shining example of how not to market such a large product/service change. What a fiasco. Directly going against their About Page, failing to update their pricing page to indicate the change.. it's all bad. I'm in the camp of everyone else where the TOS change is forcing my startup leave. The net negative…

I imagine there was some kind of crisis happening behind-the-scenes... That's the only explanation I see for the overnight policy change and lagging updates on the site. Either that or total incompetence. Interestingly, their (former) competitors are taking full advantage of the outrage by running ads on Twitter and LinkedIn aimed at Mandrill customers who've been screwed.

This is my theory too. There must be something very broken in mailchimp's management. I can't believe that something this knuckle headed would come out of our well functioning management team.

Re: Mandrill’s Betrayal

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post #104
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine there was some kind of crisis happening behind-the-scenes... That's the only explanation I see for the overnight policy change and lagging updates on the site. Either that or total incompetence. Interestingly, their (former) competitors are taking full advantage of the outrage by running ads on Twitter and LinkedIn aimed at Mandrill customers who've been screwed.

"Screwed over by monkey business?" Please tell me someone in some advertising department thought of this.

Almost! I got a twitter ad for "Monkey throw a wrench in your email system?"

Re: Mandrill’s Betrayal

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post #67
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine there was some kind of crisis happening behind-the-scenes... That's the only explanation I see for the overnight policy change and lagging updates on the site. Either that or total incompetence. Interestingly, their (former) competitors are taking full advantage of the outrage by running ads on Twitter and LinkedIn aimed at Mandrill customers who've been screwed.

I wonder if they found certain types of Mandrill users were destroying their deliverability metrics and were starting to cause issues with major email providers and their spam factors. These ESPs can't exist with poor desirability, so they have to put protecting that ahead of a lot of other things that might get them more customers.

"These ESPs can't exist with poor desirability"

I think you meant deliverability. But maybe we should all switch to calling it desirability.

Re: Mandrill’s Betrayal

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Some head-to-head comparisons of Mailgun and SendGrid, for those trying to find an alternative provider. - Free Tier : Up to 10k emails/mo with Mailgun, up to 12k with SendGrid. - Low Volume : To send 100,000 emails/mo on a shared IP, you'll pay $45 with Mailgun or $20 with SendGrid. - High Volume : To send 300,000 emails/mo on a dedicated IP, you'll pay $204 with Mailgun or $199 with SendGrid. - Deliverability : In…

- Mailgun’s prices scale much better than Sengrid. 700,000 emails per month w/ Mailgun $316.50 vs w/ Sendgrid $399 - All paid accounts are given unrestricted access to all Mailgun features. Sendgrid feature gates by plan - Mailgun has no punitive overages, with Sendgrid you’ll pay as high as $1 per 1000 emails for exceeding your plan. https://sendgrid.com/mkt/assets/pdfs/1-16_SendGrid_Compariso... Disclosure: I work…

- After Mailgun's $59 surcharge per dedicated IP (which customers will need, given your shared pool deliverability record), you'll find SendGrid's high volume prices scale pretty closely.

- We do offer plans without subuser management and whitelabeling. That's so we can be a cost-effective choice for startups and low-volume senders, which I'd argue is a good thing! Pro customers always get every feature we have to offer, including a dedicated IP.

- Overages rarely happen. In the specific case he's describing, it's nearly always going to make sense to pay $10 for 60,000 more emails.

Re: Mandrill’s Betrayal

#120
post #27

Another alternative when looking for the absolute lowest price is sendy.co. It's a self hosted solution that connects with Amazon email services. Does anyone have any experience with Sendy.co? And how it would compare with mailgun for deliverability?

It has been great for me. Set it up on a DO droplet, somehow worked my through the Amazon setup and voila, my own sendy instance! It's tracking is excellent. And the guy behind it responds quite promptly to any issues. I'd say go for it.

Thanks for the feedback! How many emails are you sending out a month? And do you do any newsletters?
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