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Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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The actual reason to not do it: They don't want you to. We sold you this, don't fuck with it like that. You technically own it and can root it, but then if it slows down you don't blame the root you blame the phone. When your friend sees your non-factory clean S6, he associates all those custom features with an S6, and not a rooted S6. They made a product and want everyone to use it and see it as they intended, rooti…

When your friend sees your non-factory clean S6, he associates all those custom features with an S6, and not a rooted S6. Wouldn't the fact that "you can do all these cool things once it's rooted" increase the perceived value and help drive sales and push towards manufacturers making it easier to root? IMHO the big selling point is all the apps, not just what software came with the hardware.

Not if people mess up their phones I suppose. Personally all I really want is proper full image backups, and a few little tweaks like the ability to turn off the stupid sound whenever it's plugged in and proper nighttime colour filtering.

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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You find no cons in it (as in pros and cons) at all? Unusual - for me, anyway. Never had that experience with a phone.

I have one. I find the width too large and I'm 6'4". Dislike having to carry it while running as well due to the size. I end up taking my cheaper, smaller windows phone while running instead. Also, the slippery metal back can easily make it fall out of gym shorts and sweats if you don't want a case. Other than those 2 aspects, I'm pretty happy with it.

Here are a few cons as someone else who has one.

* The shape of the actual phone. It's completely ridiculous that the phone doesn't sit naturally on a flat table. However, Google's case completely fixes this problem.

* Good luck finding a case that offers non-trivial protection.

* (This could be a pro) You likely cant walk into your carrier's store and buy one which means you have to buy it directly from Google and without an upgrade 'subsidy'.

* It's pretty expensive. Nexus phones have been historically cheap but this isn't really the case anymore. If you want cheap and near-stock you have to look at Motorola...

* You're being gouged for internal storage. If you want more than a paltry 16GiB of internal storage you'll be paying out the nose for it, and with no microSD card slot you cant buy a large and cheap storage for your photos and music.

* The battery isn't removable or user replaceable. This should be combined with my first point because the two are most likely linked. If the phone had a uniform thickness there's no doubt they could have fit a removable battery. Form over function seems to be the motto of every hardware designer. I haven't read the iFixit guide yet so it might be replaceable by you or me but it's certainly out of the range of your typical consumer.

* Since you bought the phone from Google you get to deal with Google's legendary customer support.

* This might be a weird complaint but the LED light on Samsung phones is much nicer than what you get on the 6P.

* Rooting the phone is trivial but requires a complete wipe of the device and disables the use of Android Pay. Maybe not a huge deal especially considering other phones in the ecosystem but it was nice when older Androids could be rooted in place.

But despite all of this it's still the best phone experience I've ever had and as long as the person isn't a die hard phone gamer or in the Apple ecosystem I would recommend them the 6P over just about everything else that's currently available.

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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Samsung has good hardware, but their software is so bad. I didn't mind because I could root it and install cyanogen. But they made that impossible to do on the S4. That's just malicious. I'm convinced their software engineers have a competition to see who can write the worst code without getting fired and get it shipped. Clearly nobody has ever been fired at samsung. Their awful software combined with their pathologi…

i had a galaxy s6 for the past 5 months and it was a nightmare. i made the mistake of not doing my research, approving an OTA upgrade to 5.1.1 and made it impossible to root my phone. recently got a nexus 5x and i am so happy to have a stock google phone again.

I'm going back to my Nexus 5 after upgrading the internal battery by 30% [1], the S6 had great hardware but the memory management and overall software experience is horrible. Just give me AOSP! I'm going to miss the camera and Samsung Pay, though.

[1] http://www.adamweld.com/2016/01/nexus-5-battery-capacity-upg...

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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I do love the screen of the Samsung S-line. Not the size, but the actual display, the colors and brightness is why I keep coming back to it. Any other phone with comparable screens?

The Nexus 6P is using Samsung panels.

The Nexus 6P display, despite being made by Samsung, is way behind the displays in GS6/7 and Note4/5. Samsung keeps the best for itself.

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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I was pretty amazed at that last beauty shot of the S7 edge next to the iPhone, to my taste it looked better. I have mixed opinions about the software issues, on the one hand if the stock software is good enough, well its good enough, but when it isn't the lack of choices is always painful.

My current phone is a Moto-X 2nd Gen which is good enough, not great.

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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What exactly is so bad about their software?

Ignoring the fact that it's ugly as sin and they bundle hundreds of useless apps which are cannot be removed which can cause weird breakages when disabled, the problem is that despite the fact that on paper their hardware should crush every other phone on the market they somehow manage to make the phones UI slower than a budget phone running stock (or near stock) Android. To be fair, that hardware shines when Android…

Just curious, when was the last time you used a Samsung device ?

A couple of points as I used to share your opinion, but I recently purchase a Edge Plus which changed my views (which while not as extreme were aligned with yours.

1.) For the most part, I do prefer stock android in terms of aesthetics and some key apps (dialer, etc).

2.) Samsung has really toned down their over the top "colourful" aesthetic on phones. They are increasingly following Material design guidelines.

3.) Depending on the carrier variant (and this could be killer), Samsung bundle apps are not as critical anymore and they definitely do not cause weird breakages when disabled.

4.) Having used both a Nexus 6P (considered the cream of the crop when it comes to stock Android experience) and there is very little performance difference between the two.

5.) Samsung (and other OEMs) have always been ahead of the curve of stock android when it comes to features that were co-opted into later versions on Android. They were the first to have quick access toggles in the notification bar, lock screen notifications, etc. So there were always some trade-offs.

6.) Even without getting into third party launchers, etc that can completely ape stock android in looks - Samsung has finally included proper theming support for their devices - so even a novice user can download a "Material Dark / Material Light" theme.

One perfect example that is still relevant to this day is the multi-window option that I use daily on my Edge Plus, which would not be possible on a Nexus device (just yet).

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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post #79
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Good luck getting monthly security patches on this.

Considering it is Samsungs flagship device, and Samsung have offerings for business security with KNOX, I have no reason to see why they wouldn't.

I'm not going to get into a flame war here but history has made me very cautious of Samsung and from what I've seen they've been one of the worst offenders when it comes to security updates, add to that the large number of custom software they bundle with their devices and you tend to have quite a large attack vector.

Reminds me of the time that I was working at a large (5K+) org and we found a virus to be circulating that was spread by custom scanner software that was really just bloatware / trayware that came bundled with various models, it hardly ever got updated and it did crazy things like run a local (custom) http server etc... what a nightmare.

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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post #79

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Considering it is Samsungs flagship device, and Samsung have offerings for business security with KNOX, I have no reason to see why they wouldn't.

I'm not going to get into a flame war here but history has made me very cautious of Samsung and from what I've seen they've been one of the worst offenders when it comes to security updates, add to that the large number of custom software they bundle with their devices and you tend to have quite a large attack vector. Reminds me of the time that I was working at a large (5K+) org and we found a virus to be circulatin…

Wow, that's a shame. I've had quite a different experience with my devices, so much so that I went from a Nexus back to a Samsung device (note 4) for the extra perks and have been very happy with it.
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