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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I Hope to see GitLab, and other Truly Open Systems, replace GitHub as the go to place for source control

I used bitbucket for a long time because it did the job and it provided private repos. But after I had to start looking for another job, many employers wanted to see my github profile.

So you paste your bitbucket link into the github field.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another quote is "it is very hard to even interview people who are 'white'". This is absurd and disgusting. I haven't lived in the US for a while, but lately, I keep hearing all these expressions of straight up racial hatred of white people, all the way up to taking pleasure in white people "dying off" and so on. This kind of thing can't end well and needs to be stopped.

To even express that it's absurd will likely brand you as a racist. What in the fuck is happening?

Tumblr is leaking.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

What a fucking trainwreck.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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> While their efforts are admirable it is very hard to even interview people who are 'white' which makes things challenging How is this even legal? Change 'white' for any other race, and you'd have yourself a workplace discrimination lawsuit.

Well, you have to remember that this statement is the opinion of one anonymous employee. Some of the other more blatant racial statements are much more worrying.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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post #102

> Some of the biggest barriers to progress are white women. Can someone explain this ?

Feminism wasn't always as intersectional as it is now. For a long time it was dominated by white women who wanted more equality ignoring and sometimes even opposing equality for people and women of color. Suffragettes are a very good example of this problem. There are a few people now that feel a similar thing is happening in the tech industry right now as well. In that diversity is promoted only in so far as it help…

> For a long time it was dominated by white women who wanted more equality ignoring and sometimes even opposing equality for people and women of color

Some of the early suffragettes - including the first female senator in the US[0] - were not just racist, but outright white supremacists.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Latimer_Felton#Racial_...

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

I freely agree that there is a lack of diversity in tech, and that we have to bear some of tbe blame ourselves, but this sort of approach is not helping.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used bitbucket for a long time because it did the job and it provided private repos. But after I had to start looking for another job, many employers wanted to see my github profile.

You can easily make your bitbucket projects public and show them off. No need to be conformed into using a given service.

While I fully agree, there's somewhat of a chicken-n-egg problem here though, because part of the profile shows contributions to other projects/repos, and that's more of a github thing, partly because their profile is designed differently to focus on that, and partly because there are just many more popular repos on github to begin with, so to contribute to those, an Atlasssian bitbucket profile doesn't help much, IF the primary intent is to 'show off' activity. Personally, I couldn't care less, I very much like the fact that Bitbucket offers free private repos, and I also prefer the tooling and cleaner UI of Bitbucket over github's.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

GitHub has, since the Horvath incident, made it pretty clear what kind of person they want to hire. And, frankly, that's fine. There are plenty of places where I, as a competent white male, can get hired and promoted without difficulty. The fact that Github isn't one of those is not a systematic problem. More power to them.

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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

> So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist. I had the same reaction. I'm surprised nobody else has noticed this and made a comment about it.

It's becoming the norm in some communities. For example, Mozilla/Rust has a lot of people like that, and one of the core team members has contributed to #hnwatch Twitter tag linked below.

People from that circle were proposing the idea of creating 'black lists' to make people unemployable for political reasons; they managed to get Brendan Eich expelled from Mozilla; they're pushing for "Codes of conducts", which again aim at expelling people from open source communities for political reasons - eg things they said in completely unrelated places, like their own Twitter feeds (see "Opalgate").

Also see PronounGate, DongleGate, past scandals at Github (meritocracy rug, Julie-Ann Horvath departure), discussions/scandals around CoC/"Contributor Covenant", etc etc etc.

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