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Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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How does it fail for you? I persisted and find that although the results are different, they are often just different. Once I became used to DDG it's started to seem like Google is the broken one. It did take a while for me to switch, maybe 3 tries before it was working right.

One of my really lazy really common searches is the module codes at my university. It's really nice that Google know which university I mean and always get it right even if I've never searched that code before.

If they're at your university are the results you're looking for not all under the same domain? I would have expected site:university.com to return the right results for you. (Okay, perhaps it's not the every-man solution.)

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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You subjected your child to violence because you failed in your duty to keep him safe?

> You subjected your child to violence because you failed in your duty to keep him safe? Good grief. Come on Dan, you know that comments like this are not allowed here, whether you agree with someone's parenting practices or not.

Some Americans think this is normal parenting.

Europeans think hitting your children is abhorrent - many EU countries have made it illegal.

If someone posted messages about hitting their spouse they'd have similarly strong responses. And there's no difference. The people who hit their children use the same language that was used by people who used corporal punishment on their wives.

In this situation a parent didn't keep their child safe in a potentially dangerous situation (by their own admission the child was poking things into an electrical socket). And for that lack of parental awareness the child gets hit?

It's a revolting interference with the child's human rights and I have no problem telling violent bullies that their behaviour fails to meet the standards a decent society demands.

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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post #79

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You subjected your child to violence because you failed in your duty to keep him safe?

Do you have children Dan? In this case I think I would have failed if I had not spanked my son. The reason why spanking is so effective is it ties the action and punishment very close together. Children get pretty used to you yelling at them to stop doing something they want to do, so when they do something really dangerous you need to have someway of getting across to them that whatever they have done should never b…

I do have children.

I don't hit them when I've been inattentive in dangerous situations.

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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Really? Interesting, because I get spammed pretty constantly that my friends "liked" Barkbox or whatever stupid MLM pyramid scheme is the current fad in my newsfeed pretty constantly. In fact, the Barkbox one shows up almost every few days. Is that just because Barkbox is advertising on facebook? I always thought if I liked anything it would reciprocatively show up in their newsfeeds.

You might find that those are actually sponsored advertisements in your feed. You might also notice it's often the same people who have liked it. They didn't like it right then and there, it's just that an advert is showing and FB pulls up people you can relate to as others who recommend it.

Damn, I think you're right. I guess because I am always posting pictures of my dog facebook really thinks I want to get him Barkbox! Fortunately I know Barkbox is overpriced junk. I don't know why I keep getting targeted for MLM schemes other than a bunch of my idiot frat buddies quit their jobs to sell MLM junk a few years ago and keep trying to get me roped into their "downlines."

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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post #108

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> You subjected your child to violence because you failed in your duty to keep him safe? Good grief. Come on Dan, you know that comments like this are not allowed here, whether you agree with someone's parenting practices or not.

Some Americans think this is normal parenting. Europeans think hitting your children is abhorrent - many EU countries have made it illegal. If someone posted messages about hitting their spouse they'd have similarly strong responses. And there's no difference. The people who hit their children use the same language that was used by people who used corporal punishment on their wives. In this situation a parent didn't…

If you had written this comment, minus the last two grafs, you'd have made the same point more persuasively and without crossing the line into a personal attack.

The modal incivility on HN is probably caused by people commenting on issues that they believe are important enough to override the civility norms on HN. Everyone has issues like this. Coming from a very large very Irish very Catholic family, I find it helpful to think about pro-life activism when issues like this crop up for me. I'll wager you don't think that people who believe abortion is murder should be allowed to prosecute that argument uncivilly here. The same applies to things we believe too.

Aside: I agree with you about hitting children, but (a) corporal punishment is quite common in Europe, and, particularly, in the UK, and (b) the norms against spanking are still new, and it will take a few more generations before you can draw conclusions about how good a parent someone is by whether they believe in spanking.

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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Reddit too. I just wrote 500 words without using any logical fallacies backing up my assertions with scientific studies from trusted sources, why does my comment have -12 points without a single person taking the time to refute my position in a comment? I believe managed, licenced hunting in Africa supports conservation efforts, there is no reason ever to spank or hit a child, all children should be vaccinated, and p…

I wrote a long comment with some questions, but decided it was too wordy and wanted to just say this: I have some ideas about addressing some of these issues, and one of the things I haven't been able to figure a way around is in the differences in user ability or desire for interaction or level of effort.

Therefore, I think that a good next-gen social media website is going to have to offer multiple levels of interaction depending on the level of the user themselves.

For example, some users want twitter level interaction. Others want a bit of expansion, maybe some commentary, but nothing too cumbersome or technical.

Another group wants citations for everything, but may not want discussion too extensively.

Yet another group wants extensive discussion that flows ideas back and forth, and educates all participants.

Another group wants both citations and discussion (I know it's hard to seperate, but bear with me).

To me, the fundamental mistake is that we are throwing all users of all types into a pool of mediocrity, to the point where perhaps trolling is somewhat limited, but excellence in discussion is also limited due to interuptions of the limited trolling. The troll doesn't want to and generally can't participate in the lengthy discussion.

So my proposed social media site works in two ways:

1) Stories are segmented into expected level of complexity. Eg, there is a twitter version of a story, a short paragraph version of story, an article version of story, and an extensive version with citations version of story. Any user can access whichever level they choose at any time... but...

2) Posting, instead of arbitrary points which tend to be about liking vs disliking arguments despite things like reddiquette, is about two factors.. quality of comment (upvotes but no downvotes for comment quality) and logical strength regardless of position, handed out in a slashdot style random mod distribution to those who opt in to participate in logical analysis of comments...

Users all start with limited commenting and submission capabilities. As a user shows they are adding value though, they get more priviledges, and conversely, as trolls troll, they get temp and perma-bans based on level. (so a troll can still troll the twitter level comments, but not the citation level comments)

What do you think about a system like this, or do you have any other ideas on how to defeat this kind of warping of the social media world without excluding the users who just want to make pun threads all day?

The bottom line is that I want a way to encourage and reward logical and rational discussion and debate for all levels of users, but allow users who wish to remain stagnant to at least participate in the way they so desire.

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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post #85

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You might find that those are actually sponsored advertisements in your feed. You might also notice it's often the same people who have liked it. They didn't like it right then and there, it's just that an advert is showing and FB pulls up people you can relate to as others who recommend it.

Damn, I think you're right. I guess because I am always posting pictures of my dog facebook really thinks I want to get him Barkbox! Fortunately I know Barkbox is overpriced junk. I don't know why I keep getting targeted for MLM schemes other than a bunch of my idiot frat buddies quit their jobs to sell MLM junk a few years ago and keep trying to get me roped into their "downlines."

Oh it's not a pyramid scheme though. Think of it as more of a circle. A circle of unity.

And in the middle of the circle of unity is us, the early adopters.

All we have to do is give Xenu all of our material belongings and buckle in for the incredible rewards coming our way!

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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Do you have children Dan? In this case I think I would have failed if I had not spanked my son. The reason why spanking is so effective is it ties the action and punishment very close together. Children get pretty used to you yelling at them to stop doing something they want to do, so when they do something really dangerous you need to have someway of getting across to them that whatever they have done should never b…

I do have children. I don't hit them when I've been inattentive in dangerous situations.

I don’t hit my children either - I used to smack them on rare occasions which is very different.

In regards a child playing with a power point this is not a case of being inattentive - you cannot watch what a child does every second of the day inside your own home. It is probably worse for a child to be watched every second of their life than for them to have some freedom and the occasional smack.

Can I ask if your children were placed in child care when they were young?

Re: How Facebook makes us dumber

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post #112

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Some Americans think this is normal parenting. Europeans think hitting your children is abhorrent - many EU countries have made it illegal. If someone posted messages about hitting their spouse they'd have similarly strong responses. And there's no difference. The people who hit their children use the same language that was used by people who used corporal punishment on their wives. In this situation a parent didn't…

If you had written this comment, minus the last two grafs, you'd have made the same point more persuasively and without crossing the line into a personal attack. The modal incivility on HN is probably caused by people commenting on issues that they believe are important enough to override the civility norms on HN. Everyone has issues like this. Coming from a very large very Irish very Catholic family, I find it helpf…

Yes there are cultural differences between different countries and the change to no smacking ever is very new (at least here in Australia). There is a large difference between giving a young child a smack on the bottom in a serious situation and child abuse.

On the topic of punishment I have never met anyone who ever experienced the odd smack as a young child to be serious concerned about it when they grew up. I have met many people who were never smacked as children, but who were subjected to terrible emotional abuse by their parents, that have been scarred for life.

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