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Marine Corps Shelves Futuristic Robo-Mule Due to Noise Concerns

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Re: Marine Corps Shelves Futuristic Robo-Mule Due to Noise Concerns

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Thought about this for a bit. I'm betting it's used. The deal with brakes is the ratio of the friction applicable by the brake and the lever distance of the compared to the lever arm it's stopping. I'm watching a movie so I'm not going to do the math right now but I think the size of disc rotor you could get on say a mule's knee joint versus the lever arm length of say a lower leg might cause problems either with the…

Many robotics applications use ballscrew linear actuators. These contain a cage of ball bearings in a spiral around a ball screw, and they move a given distance for each revolution. You can apply a braking force to the ball screw, which will have a large mechanical advantage over trying to brake against the joint itself.

Very true. My cnc uses these. However I couldn't see getting it to walk or hop like these mules. You don't really get impulse with a ballscrew.

Re: Marine Corps Shelves Futuristic Robo-Mule Due to Noise Concerns

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Walking the wonderland trail a few years ago I was remarking to my friend that in some of the most remote meadows at the top (7-8k feet) ( https://www.google.com/maps/@46.9181125,-121.7649511,731m/da... ) of the trail there were long stretches of very nice chat trails. He was saying what a pain it would be to bring the chat up and was trying to decide if it was ATVs or mules or whatever. I guessed helicopter. We aske…

I figured "chat" was gravel or something from the context, but had never heard the term before. Maybe I'm the lone idiot, but in case anyone else is confused: "Chat is a term for fragments of siliceous rock, limestone, and dolomite waste rejected in the lead-zinc milling operations that accompanied lead-zinc mining in the first half of the 20th century. [...] Although poisonous, chat can be used to improve traction o…

Also egads is everything just mining leftovers?

Re: Marine Corps Shelves Futuristic Robo-Mule Due to Noise Concerns

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A lot of the ability of the Boston Robotics robots is in their software thought which is much easier to lockdown via encryption. The rest is the hydraulic mechanism which is not easy but is the best known part of what the BR robots do.

Concealing algorithms and executable code is actually very difficult, consider that to run, a program must first be decrypted. Also consider the decades long war between crackers and proprietary software creators. Obfuscating algorithms has been the subject of quite a lot of academic research.

Store the decryption key in a removable module or the wireless controller? Then anyone who captures one is stuck with a ball of encrypted code that can't execute. Dealing with securing software and keys against capture is not new for the military.

Also destroying the hdd/ssd is easier than destroying the whole machine. You could even have a secure wipe option if the machine is still able to run it's computer but is disabled mechanically.

Re: Marine Corps Shelves Futuristic Robo-Mule Due to Noise Concerns

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I'm having a hard time seeing why you couldn't take something like a fat bike, and put an electrical assist motor on it, and have troops use that, mostly by pushing it. If you run out of battery, it still works 100% except now you have to push all the weight (or pedal, which could also be used to charge the battery). Gotta leave in a hurry? Use the bike, or just throw it away. Slash the tires and it's pretty much use…

Even a bike like that works only on a limited amount of terrain. Add the 100 ish pounds of weight they need to be able to carry in addition to a person and they get bogged down even worse. The ways you can pack them is also really limited because soldiers would need to be able to take everything off and carry it still in the even that it does get bogged down.

> Even a bike like that works only on a limited amount of terrain.

Same as this monstrosity. Except it's $39,999,000 cheaper.

Bicycle infantry units have been, and are now a Thing.

Re: Marine Corps Shelves Futuristic Robo-Mule Due to Noise Concerns

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post #113

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Concealing algorithms and executable code is actually very difficult, consider that to run, a program must first be decrypted. Also consider the decades long war between crackers and proprietary software creators. Obfuscating algorithms has been the subject of quite a lot of academic research.

Store the decryption key in a removable module or the wireless controller? Then anyone who captures one is stuck with a ball of encrypted code that can't execute. Dealing with securing software and keys against capture is not new for the military. Also destroying the hdd/ssd is easier than destroying the whole machine. You could even have a secure wipe option if the machine is still able to run it's computer but is d…

Yup, I'm sure the countermeasures you can think of in the time required to write an HN post will be secure against technically-advanced nations' militaries.

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Boston Dynamics' primary innovation is in the software/control design. The reason their robots are noisy is because they really haven't innovated a whole lot in the basic actuator design. That's not to say their mechanical design was easy, not by a long shot. It's super impressive stuff! Any new inventions that would make their mechanical design steer away from loud hydraulics would no doubt be amazing. However, with…

A lot (most?) of the noise comes from the engine, not the hydraulics, and the engine can't be replaced because sufficiently high-capacity batteries do not exist yet. That's not a problem that can be solved by innovative actuators.

That too. Also engine design was contracted out.

Re: Marine Corps Shelves Futuristic Robo-Mule Due to Noise Concerns

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Boston Dynamics' primary innovation is in the software/control design. The reason their robots are noisy is because they really haven't innovated a whole lot in the basic actuator design. That's not to say their mechanical design was easy, not by a long shot. It's super impressive stuff! Any new inventions that would make their mechanical design steer away from loud hydraulics would no doubt be amazing. However, with…

Thanks for your reply. Is there much publicly available information about their software/control design innovations? Hmm, maybe one might expect they would be hiring more mechatronics engineers to do just that? Or maybe there's still not much point for them because as you mentioned their focus is slightly different currently.

A person with a core Mechatronics focus will probably be a great systems integrator. BD's core workforce are these PhD's in controls (usually from ECE departments). Source: Am a Mechatronics Engineer with a Controls focus.

check out some of the work of BD's CEO (Marc Reibert). This (http://web.unair.ac.id/admin/file/f_7773_bigdog.pdf) is the summary paper on Big Dog, but they cite a bunch of the older Reibert papers on Controls designs for legs.

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