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The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by blinkingled »

Cyph0n wrote: post #88
blinkingled wrote: post #64

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Yes, anyone can find anything enjoyable or terrible - but the point I was trying to make was that most hackers enjoy bug fixing by nature and Geohot seems to be exceptional that he despises bug fixing as mundane.

Hackers enjoy bug finding or simply building new stuff. Why would they like fixing bugs? Why would any developer enjoy it for that matter? Yes, it's something necessary that all developers should know how to do, but that doesn't make it enjoyable.

A nagging bug is ultimately one more thing you don't understand. I don't know about anyone else but as someone who loves to take apart things I don't sleep well when I find there's something out there that I don't understand. Besides bugs are a given if you're building something new and if you don't find them interesting you're not going to fix the most challenging ones. If you ever followed Linux kernel development you'll find many hackers enjoy fixing challenging bugs.

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Post by Nav_Panel »

starkness wrote: post #87
Nav_Panel wrote: post #35

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If he wanted to be a company instead of an individual for legal purposes, he could probably incorporate in his own name fairly easily.

He has a company: http://comma.ai .

and http://reactions.co

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by ksk »

thedz wrote: post #4

> “I understand the state-of-the-art papers,” he says. “The math is simple. For the first time in my life, I’m like, ‘I know everything there is to know.’ ” Yep, he's still in his twenties.

Well, a lot of people on HN certainly comment on technology without immodesty and an air of authority. It does feel boorish to have someone say that out-loud though.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by lintiness »

padobson wrote: post #107
lintiness wrote: post #51

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if we don't have laws currently, we sure as hell need them. i can't imagine letting everybody try their own self-driving software.

From the article: “I live by morals, I don’t live by laws,” Hotz declared in the story. “Laws are something made by assholes.”

i wonder where he believes laws came from ...

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Post by reviseddamage »

dexterdog wrote: post #108
reviseddamage wrote: post #31

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Probably really bad now, or doesn't react at all and also probably will collide in critical and dangerous positions. But that is also not the future. The future is how does it interact in non-dangerous positions long-term while other cars are self-driving in compliance.

Is it that hard to detect a clear danger like a car that suddenly stopped in front of you on the highway?

it is. humans are really bad at that.

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Post by bgp »

paragpatelone wrote: post #77

"His self-funded experiment could end with Hotz humbly going back to knock on Google’s door for a job." The biggest thing here IMO is this is self-funded. Any startup trying to do what he is doing in this environment would have raised $50 Million, hired 100's of engineers from top notch schools, become accepted in YC, and have Marc Andreessen, Paul Graham, Sam Altman and all singing their praises. Kudos to him for be…

Creating 1 job is better than hundreds?

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Post by ProAm »

mikeg8 wrote: post #106
sangnoir wrote: post #90

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Why does it need to stop if you agree that its a fact of life. No one is saying 30 y/o's are enlighted, just that they have a bit more perspective. The same can be said for twenties vs. teens. It's not that teens are idiots - they are just teens with the life-experiences & perspective of a teen

This: > A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world... Is a dangerous and gross generalization. I totally agree with the changing of perspectives point, but feel that this community has a very clear bias from the older gen (30s and up) against the younger gen (teens and twenties). That's all I'm saying. It's divisive. Instead of saying they "know nothing", it should be phrased, "stil…

That is just a semantics argument.

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bgp wrote: post #117
paragpatelone wrote: post #77

"His self-funded experiment could end with Hotz humbly going back to knock on Google’s door for a job." The biggest thing here IMO is this is self-funded. Any startup trying to do what he is doing in this environment would have raised $50 Million, hired 100's of engineers from top notch schools, become accepted in YC, and have Marc Andreessen, Paul Graham, Sam Altman and all singing their praises. Kudos to him for be…

Creating 1 job is better than hundreds?

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by eterpstra »

bgp wrote: post #117
paragpatelone wrote: post #77

"His self-funded experiment could end with Hotz humbly going back to knock on Google’s door for a job." The biggest thing here IMO is this is self-funded. Any startup trying to do what he is doing in this environment would have raised $50 Million, hired 100's of engineers from top notch schools, become accepted in YC, and have Marc Andreessen, Paul Graham, Sam Altman and all singing their praises. Kudos to him for be…

Creating 1 job is better than hundreds?

Well, Hotz did state that, “The truth is that work as we know it in its modern form has not been around that long, and I kind of want to use AI to abolish it. I want to take everyone’s jobs. Most people would be happy with that, especially the ones who don’t like their jobs. Let’s free them of mental tedium and push that to machines. In the next 10 years, you’ll see a big segment of the human labor force fall away. In 25 years, AI will be able to do almost everything a human can do. The last people with jobs will be AI programmers.”
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