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Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by bogomipz »

ameen wrote: post #60

As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't legally employ you or aren't willing to jump through bureaucratic hoops just to employ you. I'd subscribed to a remote-only jobs board and the issue was that either I didn't qualify for work due to my residency, or the company never really responded. I would say…

Firstly I don't think most of the EU or US companies "have to import a workforce." We have plenty of skilled workers. You are very delusional. Bureaucracy is everywhere, probably one of the worst bureaucracies I have witnessed was in India. I would like to go live and work in Japan but guess what? I can't and I don't feel entitled that I should be able to. As far as your comment about "we wouldn't have to transplant ourselves and be harassed by less-qualified xenophobic residents." Guess what you don't have to. Don't come. Your comments are offensive and prejudiced. With an attitude like that it's maybe not very surprising that you haven't had much luck speaking with companies.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by DominikR »

ameen wrote: post #60

As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't legally employ you or aren't willing to jump through bureaucratic hoops just to employ you. I'd subscribed to a remote-only jobs board and the issue was that either I didn't qualify for work due to my residency, or the company never really responded. I would say…

> and pay obscene taxes (by third-world standards) that in the end does serve them.

Of course, that is the whole point. It has to serve our economy primarily. No one is against India having it's own strong economy, why would anyone, but it is not our business to improve your economy.

It sounds harsh but no one except your own people will improve your economy. You do it yourselves or no one will.

> I'd love for the EU and the US to become more Anti-immigrant (thankfully it's rising) and for the populace to wake up once the industries that kept them at the top move out of there.

Why would you wish that there is more anti-immigrant sentiment or even worse racism? (that sadly is happening right now)

Aside from that your logic is faulty. These businesses move somewhere else because our business elite decides so and the legal framework for doing so is set up by our political elites and guess what: It is done in a way to primarily improve our own economies or our political power.

If the political elite doesn't like something about the policies of country X they will put sanctions in place and our business elite will (with a few exceptions) follow.

> I'm Westernized, loved America & the U.K. when I visited them and the people were awesome, but thanks to nationalities and nationalists the U.S. has imposed these arbitrary impediments designed to keep away those willing to move from their native countries to further their careers.

We are nation states with citizenships and borders. All of our states primarily serve their own citizens, not others.

There is no human right allowing me to live in Monaco, Tokyo or New Dheli just because I want to further my career. The only exception is asylum for persons that are threatened in their own countries, but aside from that there is no obligation whatsoever.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by arethuza »

ameen wrote: post #107
dvdcxn wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>err... Scotch Wouldn't recommend calling us Scots "Scotch". We're not whisky ;)

Isn't British inoffensive to Scots? Odd he decided to bundle an entire nation with whiskey :P

I think people in the UK who refer to themselves as "British" are actually in the minority - most people I know would say they are English, Scottish etc.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by curun1r »

impostervt wrote: post #80
ameen wrote: post #74

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Sorry you couldn't detect my sarcasm. But it's disheartening to see U.S. of all places succumb to such stuff [1]. U.S. was built on enterprising immigrants who made it the country it currently is. No other country could then stake a claim to be a melting pot of the world nor could they dominate in so many industries. Software Engineering elsewhere is just following the lead established by American companies. I work w…

The US has been anti-immigrant for pretty much it's entire history. Whether you were Irish, Polish, Chinese, Catholic, Mexican, Jewish, Muslim, whatever - at some point, a vocal group of Americans didn't want you to come here. But people came anyway. And they made it work. I can't think of any other country on Earth that is as diverse as the US.

There's two examples of immigrants that came here without strong opposition. The initial immigrants from Europe (which didn't work out so well for the indigenous population) and African slaves (which didn't work out so well for the population entering the country).

It's always seemed to me that part of the American culture is a determination that comes partly from the mentality of immigrating despite the objections of the people already here. The people who needed to be welcomed stayed in their own countries and the headstrong people who just didn't care came to the US.

It almost America's version of fraternity hazing or that hellish 201 course that winnows the field down to just those willing to endure unpleasantness to achieve their goals.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by k__ »

lllllll wrote: post #106
k__ wrote: post #70

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In Germany you need to make about 60000€ a year to get private health insurance (better service, lower price) OR you have to be self-employed, where it doesn't matter how much you make. (500€ private, 750€ public) Yes, this doesn't matter for an engineer who makes about 100000€ a year. :) But! If you're an employee, you have to pay into a government-controlled retirement fund, if you're self-employed you don't. If yo…

A software engineer can make 100k€ in Germany? Where's that!?

Never said "software" engineer :P

;)

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by ramblerman »

ameen wrote: post #60

As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't legally employ you or aren't willing to jump through bureaucratic hoops just to employ you. I'd subscribed to a remote-only jobs board and the issue was that either I didn't qualify for work due to my residency, or the company never really responded. I would say…

As a slightly bitter 'European' I would welcome you in a heartbeat.

The real problem (for us) is that the quality of immigrants differs by a very large margin. Countries like France and Belgium (where I have lived) rather let in the first 10,000 applicants vs the best 10,000.

The US is far far better in that regards with Canada probably being the best example imo.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by Inthenameofmine »

ameen wrote: post #105
Inthenameofmine wrote: post #102

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Any South Eastern Europe coast city does it really. I personally like nature and silence every now and then so I stay at Albanian Riviera Villages May-July and Mid-September-October. If you know the young scene and make friends quickly, as a digital nomad Prishtina, Split, Belgrade are also awesome. Try Istanbul if you really like a lively city.

Sounds wonderful to be honest. Where is your company incorporated in? Would love to contact you but there's no info on your HN profile.

Just updated my profile if anybody is interested. We hire globally and remotely.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by cmdkeen »

ameen wrote: post #104
it_learnses wrote: post #90

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I am a developer living in Canada (emigrated from India a long time ago) and I have heard of and seen many outsourcing horror stories. So I wouldn't say most Indians adhere to "industry standards" in code-quality, etc. They are just in it to make money and many times do a very shitty job. Also, communicating with them isn't very easy. Most Indians think they speak fluent English, but I would say in my experience it's…

I fully agree with what you've said, and unfortunately it's a stereotype permeated by the IT Sweatshops of TCS, Infosys et al. I was brought up in an Urban city, English is the only language I've learnt right from childhood and continue to do so, the language that I'm most fluent in. (yes I can't read or write my native tongue). I do agree that lying on resumes is widespread that some of us (who believe we're upto sn…

It isn't just lying on resumes, my Indian colleagues have horror stories of the levels of cheating they experienced doing their CS degrees at Indian universities. They all felt they had to do an MSc at a UK university, at huge expense, in order to be validated because those institutions are trusted.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by blub »

bogomipz wrote: post #111
ameen wrote: post #60

As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't legally employ you or aren't willing to jump through bureaucratic hoops just to employ you. I'd subscribed to a remote-only jobs board and the issue was that either I didn't qualify for work due to my residency, or the company never really responded. I would say…

Firstly I don't think most of the EU or US companies "have to import a workforce." We have plenty of skilled workers. You are very delusional. Bureaucracy is everywhere, probably one of the worst bureaucracies I have witnessed was in India. I would like to go live and work in Japan but guess what? I can't and I don't feel entitled that I should be able to. As far as your comment about "we wouldn't have to transplant…

If what you say is true, why do do many EU and US tech companies go through the effort of finding, interviewing and relocating foreign workers? Just for kicks?

It looks to me that you got upset by the parent's unrestrained comment and pushed back in the same spirit.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Post by netcan »

bogomipz wrote: post #111
ameen wrote: post #60

As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't legally employ you or aren't willing to jump through bureaucratic hoops just to employ you. I'd subscribed to a remote-only jobs board and the issue was that either I didn't qualify for work due to my residency, or the company never really responded. I would say…

Firstly I don't think most of the EU or US companies "have to import a workforce." We have plenty of skilled workers. You are very delusional. Bureaucracy is everywhere, probably one of the worst bureaucracies I have witnessed was in India. I would like to go live and work in Japan but guess what? I can't and I don't feel entitled that I should be able to. As far as your comment about "we wouldn't have to transplant…

I think you may be reading malice or prejudice that isn't here brother (or sister):

"loved America & the U.K. when I visited them and the people were awesome.. .."

I have been an immigrant in a bunch of places. Most people are awesome, especially personally. Some people are xenophobic, especially politically. IE, when people are thinking politically and abstractly abstractly about migrants they tend more towards xenophobia. The place where you feel this most is at the immigration office where they make you feel unwanted and make sure you know you know you are owed nothing. Also when the politicians talk.

Anyway… Who says you shouldn't feel entitled to live peacefully and lawfully anywhere? These rules didn't come with the world. We made them. There have been different rules in different times and places. Should you feel entitled to leave any country you want? How about internal migration, like moving from New York to Minnesota? How about changing profession?

None of these were rights until and unless we made them rights.

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