As a student at Dartmouth, I find this article to be extremely accurate and representative of the culture I've encountered amongst the protests here and (through conversations with friends) at other places across the country. As a white male, my friends and I are too intimidated by the Black Lives Matter protesters and their actions to try to initiate any sort of discussion on the matter in fear that we'll only provoke more anger and protest.
The Yale Problem Begins in High School
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#112These people act this way because they are elitist. They think they know what should be better than anyone else and therefore there is no need for debate or for rights like free speech. I find that quite ironic because presumably, these people subscribe to left leaning ideologies. But maybe there isn't so much of a contradiction. They are simply more elitist than they are anything else. They don't really stand for eq…
The interesting part is not why these people do this, but why they are winning.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that other people are free to speak against you does not mean that you can't speak freely. Free speech does not mean freedom from having your speech acts criticized (quite the opposite; it includes freedom of others to criticize your speech acts.) And, yes, it means that your speech acts may affect your ability to hold a job where you are one of the major public faces of an organization (such as its CEO) and…
Yes, of course Eich's critics had the right to criticize him. The point is that calling for his resignation was grossly disproportionate.
The point is that calling for his resignation was grossly disproportionate.
Depends where you draw the line. Many people feel that when Eich chose to support groups that were running bigoted TV ads (beyond simply expressing an opinion as to a ballot issue) he effectively crossed that line.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Brandon Eich episode speaks volumes, esp. since he was at the winning side of the Popular Vote. Tinder did not walk away for CA after Prop 8 was won. I really do not know a single state including CA and OR, where gay marriage actually garnered Popular majority. Now the debate about whether something like that should be up for Vote is different and one I have no much domain knowledge. The fact was Brandon Eich's polit…
"I really do not know a single state including CA and OR, where gay marriage actually garnered Popular majority." It's interestingly how strong your opinion is when it could be easily improved upon by just reading wikipedia[3]. Here are states that actually passed SSM by popular referendum: * Maine [1] * Washington State[2] * Maryland [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_Question_1,_2012 [2] https://en.wikipedia.o…
You are correct. In my argument I was pointing out about how things were at the time of Prop 8, which I think is around 2008. The gay marriage debate got much needed momentum in 2012. In 2008 even Barack Obama was not for Gay Marriage.
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#115An excellent article. I hope people actually read it instead of dismissing it because someone influential on twitter doesn't like the fact that it doesn't fit a specific narrative. I'm glad academia is starting to wake up on that very specific issue. Good luck to its author, he is going to need it, because some people will be out eager to destroy his career.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. It is baffling to me that nobody seems to seriously consider that this war on men/boys is what creates this weird and uncomfortable social dynamic. Masculinity is not something to be feared or ashamed of, teaching that is what creates dysfunctional men.
No, social norms that - you're not allowed to show emotion (unless it's anger) - you must get all of your emotional needs met through first your mother, and then your girlfriend / wife are what creates dysfunctional men.
[...] are what creates dysfunctional men.
Even if we posit what you say is true, there are no alternate expression and communication toolboxes presented as a set of life skills. The only thing society has offered are signals that society wants men to cry more, and only in the situations they're socially cued to cry.
The comment you're replying to says "Masculinity is not something to be feared or ashamed of, teaching that is what creates dysfunctional men."
What other impression do you expect men to get when they're told the problem with masculinity is that it's too masculine? For them to act LESS stoic? Is society going to accept with open arms an entirely new form of expression?
Especially when the people who fancy themselves able to understand the problems with masculinity cue men to be more stoic while pretending to want the opposite. (The more degenerate form of it from people that get all their philosophy from blogs with Fox News levels of bullshit even has a cute little hastagh for it #MasculinitySoFragile)
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#117Look how Silicon Valley folks treated Brandon Eich when he made a donation to the majority side in a California proposition. It's not just academia where you can't speak freely.
The conversations about Brandon Eich and his views regrettably died down before the Donald Sterling incident. I am still curious today where defenders of Eich fall in the controversy over Sterling. Will anyone who defends Eich or is critical of his detractors come out and say that Sterling should not have received the wrath of the media and public and should not have been punished for expressing his views? Or does yo…
Will anyone who defends Eich or is critical of his detractors come out and say that Sterling should not have received the wrath of the media
Absolutely. Both men were pilloried by mob justice for PRIVATELY holding unpopular opinions.
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#118Look how Silicon Valley folks treated Brandon Eich when he made a donation to the majority side in a California proposition. It's not just academia where you can't speak freely.
The fact that other people are free to speak against you does not mean that you can't speak freely. Free speech does not mean freedom from having your speech acts criticized (quite the opposite; it includes freedom of others to criticize your speech acts.) And, yes, it means that your speech acts may affect your ability to hold a job where you are one of the major public faces of an organization (such as its CEO) and…
Yes, the Eich takedown was entirely legal.
No one claims it wasn't. You're missing the point.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Besides, what makes those subreddits "less than agreeable"? I think they're important. Social justice is cancer.
The extreme of both sides of this debate, as illustrated in your post and in the actions of the most egregious student complaints at Yale, lack the nuance needed to find a healthy compromise. Those subreddits are "less than agreeable" because they advocate outlandish responses to perhaps slightly less outlandish beliefs.
> Those subreddits are "less than agreeable" because they advocate outlandish responses
Do they? What "outlandish responses" might those be? You're smearing by implication. What specifically do you find so "outlandish"? As far as I can tell, people making claims like yours think that creating a consistent set of rules for all, promoting free expression of all views, and countering group libel are thoughtcrimes. What's "disagreeable" is countering the idea that I might be guilty of something because of my gender and ancestry.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a tall, large framed man, I often get very strong negative reactions when I am physically fit. And I mean fit not weightlifting bulk. Keeping short hair and a clean shave while swimming regularly is a very utilitarian choice, but you get even stronger negative reactions. The way out? Growing long hair transformed rather negative skin head connotations with a far more teasing Fabio. Our culture really looks down on…
As someone with a full beard, a father who wears a full beard, and several friends with full beards, what is the problem with them?
For one thing it lowers the bar before people think your indigent. Depending on industry it can often make it harder to find a job. On the whole it's generally viewed as a low status symbol.
Granted this is mostly from the east coast of the US (DC). And having a styled bearded seems to make a large difference.