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Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

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Re: Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

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Post by ccvannorman »

miclip wrote: post #90
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it unlawful for the police to stop you under these conditions (peacefully using a public road without any suggestion of criminal activity or intent)? Surprised that no-one would do this with recording equipment and then sue for unlawful arrest or whatever, or have they?

When I lived there it irritated me a great deal, not that I minded hiking up the hill but the residents are very aggressive. They'll stop you if you even walking along the road, that kind of thing gets me worked up. I thought about confronting the issue but figured I don't need to waste my time or money on such endeavors.

Welp, I know what I'm doing this weekend. This sounds like fun.

Re: Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

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Post by jfoutz »

miclip wrote: post #101
themartorana wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those stickers should be illegal. It's pettiness at its worst. Edit: illegal to use on people's cars/property that is.

I'd argue it's already illegal, to me it's vandalism for someone to place a sticker that needs to be scratched off potentially damaging the window. But who will you complain to? Sausalito Police? Marin County Sheriff?

Small claims court. Set up a dashcam or gopro so you can get them on camera, and identify where they go back to.

Re: Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

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Post by aurelius12 »

miclip wrote: post #60

Similar issue in Sausalito above the Bridge. Wolfback Ridge Rd is a publicly maintained road yet they have a gate and sign that says otherwise. It is strictly enforced by Sausalito Police on behalf of residents. There's some great short hikes up there that offer excellent views of the Golden Gate Bridge and headlands. Even google didn't dare go up there: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8512481,-122.4911711,3a,75y,...…

I was really curious about that, as I live in southern Marin and have wanted to go up that road before. Are you sure it's a public road though?

I found this: http://sausalito.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_...

On page 2, there's a line that says, "Wolfback Ridge Road is a private road maintained by the Wolfback Ridge Association, a neighborhood homeowner’s association (see Exhibit R for Association information)"

I can't find exhibit R, but the person who sent it appears to be a resident of Wolfback Ridge, leading me to wonder how legit the info is.

Re: Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

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Post by miclip »

aurelius12 wrote: post #113
miclip wrote: post #60

Similar issue in Sausalito above the Bridge. Wolfback Ridge Rd is a publicly maintained road yet they have a gate and sign that says otherwise. It is strictly enforced by Sausalito Police on behalf of residents. There's some great short hikes up there that offer excellent views of the Golden Gate Bridge and headlands. Even google didn't dare go up there: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8512481,-122.4911711,3a,75y,...…

I was really curious about that, as I live in southern Marin and have wanted to go up that road before. Are you sure it's a public road though? I found this: http://sausalito.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_... On page 2, there's a line that says, "Wolfback Ridge Road is a private road maintained by the Wolfback Ridge Association, a neighborhood homeowner’s association (see Exhibit R for Association inform…

I have emails from the city saying otherwise, I'll try and dig them up. I believe it's publicly maintained as it was resurfaced along with the rest of the town a couple years back when we lived there.

I also doubt the Wolfback Ridge Association paid for the bridge over highway 101 that's exclusive to them. There are radio towers (SFO?) up there but you can access along the fire roads from Tennessee Valley.

Edit:

Found it, response from Director of Public Works:

Not as simple a question as you might think… Short answer is that a portion of Wolfback Ridge Road is publically-maintained. For purposes of hiking, you and anyone else can probably access from the State of California right-of-way (at US 101) to the trails at the top of the pass anytime and not have an issue. Vehicular access is restricted at certain times of the year by Sausalito PD – Fleet Week and the Fourth of July based on lack of parking, lack of adequate circulation and inadequate turn-around. If you want more legal details, let me know – I’m researching the area for a development application anyway…it may take awhile though.

They have a point regarding events but if you park where he suggests you'll run into issues.

Re: Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

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Post by aurelius12 »

miclip wrote: post #114
aurelius12 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was really curious about that, as I live in southern Marin and have wanted to go up that road before. Are you sure it's a public road though? I found this: http://sausalito.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_... On page 2, there's a line that says, "Wolfback Ridge Road is a private road maintained by the Wolfback Ridge Association, a neighborhood homeowner’s association (see Exhibit R for Association inform…

I have emails from the city saying otherwise, I'll try and dig them up. I believe it's publicly maintained as it was resurfaced along with the rest of the town a couple years back when we lived there. I also doubt the Wolfback Ridge Association paid for the bridge over highway 101 that's exclusive to them. There are radio towers (SFO?) up there but you can access along the fire roads from Tennessee Valley. Edit: Foun…

Oh, I'd love to see those emails if you can dig them up, thank you! If I'm confident that it's a public street, I'm going to go hang out on that street.

Re: Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

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Post by vermontdevil »

themartorana wrote: post #96
miclip wrote: post #87

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It's a sticker that gets put on your window. They're very hard to remove. http://www.myparkingpermit.com/Parking-Violation-Stickers/No...

Those stickers should be illegal. It's pettiness at its worst. Edit: illegal to use on people's cars/property that is.

Unless you are these fellas:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMrKscEv_Ri1pvlRsLxsqJQ

Re: Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

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Post by brendandahl »

aurelius12 wrote: post #113
miclip wrote: post #60

Similar issue in Sausalito above the Bridge. Wolfback Ridge Rd is a publicly maintained road yet they have a gate and sign that says otherwise. It is strictly enforced by Sausalito Police on behalf of residents. There's some great short hikes up there that offer excellent views of the Golden Gate Bridge and headlands. Even google didn't dare go up there: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8512481,-122.4911711,3a,75y,...…

I was really curious about that, as I live in southern Marin and have wanted to go up that road before. Are you sure it's a public road though? I found this: http://sausalito.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_... On page 2, there's a line that says, "Wolfback Ridge Road is a private road maintained by the Wolfback Ridge Association, a neighborhood homeowner’s association (see Exhibit R for Association inform…

There's also "The location of the current gate to the Ridge is on state-owned property, and because of the width of the road and lack of adequate turnaround space" from

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:g9QMap...

Re: Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

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Post by logfromblammo »

arethuza wrote: post #88
logfromblammo wrote: post #85

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I would guess that at least a few of the home buyers fully intended to "alter the deal (pray I do not alter it further)" after the developer sold off the last parcel and exited.

I'd expect there to be conditions in the sale that would enforce this - also the landowner in this case would be appear to be the business that runs the surrounding golf courses and hotel, so they're probably not going anywhere: http://www.archerfieldhouse.com/ I would also expect the relevant government agency (possibly Scottish National Heritage) to take a rather dim view of anyone breaking the conditions of planni…

Or they don't ask, and buy semi-permanent sea access for the bargain price of one angle grinder, some unassuming hinges, a latch, and a can of matching green paint. I'm assuming that most of the home-buyers would be Scots, after all.

The folks on the other side of the fence are certainly Scots with an interest in public access to Archerfield Woods from the coastal walking trail.

I very much doubt that such a fence would be patrolled or otherwise monitored well enough to prevent rogue gate installation from happening.

If this was in the U.S., the same people cutting holes in the fence would simultaneously be posting signs saying "no public beach access" and blaming the holes on outsiders bent on ruining both beach and neighborhood. The zoning and development board would quietly be enjoying their kickbacks from the developer, and winking every time the fence got mentioned.

They know that fence isn't going to last. It's only there so that no one starts a protest until after it's too late to be effective.

Re: Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

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Post by hussong »

gburt wrote: post #100
themartorana wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those stickers should be illegal. It's pettiness at its worst. Edit: illegal to use on people's cars/property that is.

I'm not a lawyer and definitely not a lawyer in "almost everywhere", but it is surely illegal in almost everywhere with western-style property rights? Especially if it left residue after the fact. On the other hand, who is going to take this to court? These are largely one-off tourists who won't have a vested interest in the matter after tomorrow. People are very possessive about the state of their car's exterior, im…

Not a lawyer either, what I've read about street art in Germany is basically: if it leaves residue (physical changes your object) = property damage, if it's easy to remove without a trace = no case.

Which is why a lot of street artists swapped the can for painted paper and water-soluble glue.

Or, related to cars: hard to remove stickers = property damage, some chalk on the tires or shaving foam on the hood = no case, deal with it.

Re: Why people keep trying to erase the Hollywood sign from Google Maps (2014)

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Post by jedmeyers »

vermontdevil wrote: post #116
themartorana wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those stickers should be illegal. It's pettiness at its worst. Edit: illegal to use on people's cars/property that is.

Unless you are these fellas: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMrKscEv_Ri1pvlRsLxsqJQ

Their stickers are easy to remove, so it's not the same thing.
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