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How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by rubidium »

smikhanov wrote: post #41

A more interesting indicator that authors may consider is how many people living in the area do jogging. When I moved to London's SE4 postcode three years ago (it's pretty close to Peckham, FWIW), the regeneration of the area has just started and the more middle-class looking people appeared around, the more men and women in running gear were visible in the streets in the morning. Poor on average take worse care of t…

I took this post as more of an exercise in data science. Data on jogging per neighborhood is a bit harder to find then coffee and chicken places.

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Post by irl_zebra »

smikhanov wrote: post #41

A more interesting indicator that authors may consider is how many people living in the area do jogging. When I moved to London's SE4 postcode three years ago (it's pretty close to Peckham, FWIW), the regeneration of the area has just started and the more middle-class looking people appeared around, the more men and women in running gear were visible in the streets in the morning. Poor on average take worse care of t…

This might be helpful:

http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by callumlocke »

gd1 wrote: post #75
DannoHung wrote: post #31

This analysis would be tremendously racist in America.

It's plenty 'racist' here in the UK (at least under the left-wing redefinition of the word racist as any mention of race at all). Chicken shops and jerk chicken are associated with the African-Caribbean population. All he's done with his analysis is used two thinly disguised proxy variables to hide his true hypothesis, which may very well be a good hypothesis but is unpalatable to discuss in public.

> at least under the left-wing redefinition of the word racist as any mention of race at all

The overcautious avoidance of race as a subject does exist, but is nothing to do with left/right in my experience. I associate it with people who don't live in mixed areas, they tend to be more awkward about mentioning race and certainly aren't more left wing on average.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by pinaceae »

hmm, this is local.

for cities in central europe like berlin, munich, vienna the indicators for poor neighborhoods are mobile-phone repairshops, internet cafés and kebab/döner/falafel places. immigrants from the south-east, from turkey to afghanistan shaping these areas.

as nicely illustrated in the current episodes of Homeland.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by zapu »

mahouse wrote: post #60
jamescun wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not an American, but I believe they are referring to the racist meme that associates fried chicken to Americans of non-white ethnicities. This differs from the UK where fried chicken is more associated with the lower classes than a particular race.

And also coffee shops are associated to white people.

I'm not sure why this is getting downvoted. We are talking about stereotypes here, and this is clearly a stereotype that's around - see the "hipster in coffee bar" "memes" in which portrayed people are exclusively white.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by bryondowd »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #70
ethbro wrote: post #49

> Poor on average take worse care of their health and fitness Not intended to be snarky, as I grok the intent of your comment, but poor also don't typically have time to come home and go for an hour jog with frequency during the week.

Is this true? The general stereotype when I lived in the UK is that the poor were mostly non-workers who subsisted based on public assistance. If true, then they have plenty of time. In the US this is certainly true. The lowest earning category has 30 minutes/day more leisure time than the highest. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.t11.htm Anyone know where to find the UK equivalent of the ATUS?

In addition to the people working multiple part time minimum wage jobs to get by, there are other time costs associated with being poor.

Poor often don't have a personal vehicle, so many hours per week can be spent on a bus, bike, or walking, especially in places with less public transport.

Now the following probably doesn't apply to poor in cities, where you often have amenities in easy walking distance, but in the area I live they are quite applicable. Every time you need to go pick up groceries, you have to take public transit to the grocery store, and you can only buy what you can carry back, so you'll have to go more often than someone who can load up a trunk. Add on the fact that many low end housing rentals don't have washer/dryer units, the nearest may be miles away, so you get to take public transit with your laundry and spend a couple hours at the laundromat.

Where I'm at, those two things alone could easily eat 10-20 hours of your week.

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Post by macNchz »

jfg wrote: post #67
mhax wrote: post #24

"Not many outlets selling fried chicken"... in Peckham?? I'm not sure the authors data is all that accurate.

Yeah, looking at the Google maps location of chicken shops in Peckham brings up only about half the shops that are actually there.

Not sure where the data for the article came from, but I'd guess that there is some interesting socioeconomic skewing around the type of business and whether it can be readily found on Google maps or Yelp, since much of the data is crowdsourced.

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Post by programmernews3 »

300bps wrote: post #35
Paul_S wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not from America - care to explain?

Stereotype of African Americans is that they eat a lot of fried chicken so essentially this report would imply it is African Americans that make for a bad neighborhood.

I think you mean black people

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Post by pnut »

ptaipale wrote: post #87
pdpi wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Working crazy hours across three jobs to make ends meet is definitely a thing, and not at all rare.

However, just based on my prejudices, I'd claim that those that do work crazy hours across three jobs typically do not need to go jogging, they get some exercise when moving from one job to another. They are also not necessarily the poorest in the income poverty sense, although their situation is quite clearly the most unfair.

I've got an uncle who works construction. He's adamant that his free time not be spent doing physical activity.
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