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Can you recommend any good resources or perhaps a book on beginning CBT? So far, CBT For Dummies (ironic title, I know), is what I am working from. That, and a handful of random youtube videos is what I've been trying to build my CBT knowledge from.

Feeling Good by David Burns is a very good book. I've heard of studies that have shown it just as effective as medication for depression. The second chapter "Do Nothingness" has a chapter on procrastination specifically too. Achieve Your Potential with Positive Psychology also includes a good chapter on CBT. The book also includes other findings/techniques in psychology that can help improve mood, motivation, relatio…

To clarify, Tim LeBon's book is the Achieve Your Potential book.

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The main emotion involved in procrastination is disgust. A basic emotion that is as strong as fear, but is completely learned and can be attached to every kind of situation, activity or just the thought of starting them. Procrastination is protecting yourself from feeling the upcoming revolting disgust these activities can bring. You avoid feeling it, like you avoid touching a hot plate, that's why the disgust never…

Lol, googling "Anstrengungsvermeidung", leads to your post on hackernews. Any external references in English?

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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The main emotion involved in procrastination is disgust. A basic emotion that is as strong as fear, but is completely learned and can be attached to every kind of situation, activity or just the thought of starting them. Procrastination is protecting yourself from feeling the upcoming revolting disgust these activities can bring. You avoid feeling it, like you avoid touching a hot plate, that's why the disgust never…

Sounds interesting. Googling "Anstrengungsvermeidung", leads to your post on hackernews, so this must not be a very recent or narrow term?. Any external references in English?

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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I suffer from procrastination. This article hit a lot of notes for me. The "moral compensation" of doing other things -- watering plants, cleaning the house, doing chores when deadlines loom -- hits close to home.

Sometimes those things actually help to calm my brain and I can formulate a work plan without being faced with a keyboard.

Another thing that works for me (and I'm saying this for me only; know thyself and all that) is smoking a little bit of weed. Not to get hammered, but just enough that it calms my brain a bit. It seems to help me relax, sit down and get into (and stay on) a task like nothing else.

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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Tried it. I have been using such a plugin for a couple years now. (I gave myself no more than 60 mins within a defined working our). I've also tried pomodoro. Printing up reminder signs. Talking myself into it. All sorts of things. If you are avoiding the underlying emotional issue, it works like a bandaid: helps in the short term, doesn't address the root problem. It was only until I started seriously practicing med…

Thanks for this and the follow on posts. I've been inconsistent in my meditation, and have been consistent with it only during periods of extended freedom, usually between jobs or tasks. I've not had the discipline to stick with it when my To Do lists starting flowing over... and of course that's when the procrastination and anxiety kick in. I'm going to have a stab at more consistent meditation practice, and hopeful…

@kinlyd glad that helps.

In my experience, the feelings that arise leading up to the practice time were exactly the feelings that arise leading to procrastination. One day, I found myself putzing around, avoiding the cushion, and knew that the practice has already started.

What worked for me were a number of small things:

(1) Dedicating a space for practice. When I first started, I dropped a cushion right next to my bed so I would trip over it when I woke up and trip over it when I slept. Formally dedicating a space, even if it is a small corner, helps a lot when you are first trying to establish a discipline.

(2) Dedicating a time. When I first started out, I was a night owl. I still am; but a lot of the night owl thing comes from -- you guessed it -- procrastinating on sleep. So I formally dedicated the time right before bed for practice; that, no matter how late, how tired, how fuzzy I was, I was going to sit before I crawled into bed. (A year or two in, I naturally shifted to a morning practice; by then, I feel off if I didn't practice something each day).

(3) Gamification worked well for me, though beware going to the extreme. Eventually, one of the things you start stripping away from your mind is responding to the reward/punishment triggers. I used a streak calendar. I took page from Kickstarter. I knew that I have a tendency to go overboard in excitement and then try to do as much the next day, fail, feel ashamed/guilty about failing, and the dropping off from the practice. So I would have three levels of practice:

The nominal practice time. In the beginning that was 5 minutes. I might not be able to do 10, or 20, but how hard it is to do "just" 5 minutes right before bed?

Stretch goals: if I went further, I'd consider it a stretch goal. Completely optional. In other words, the next day, the practice goal still resets to my nominal goal. If it happens I reach that stretch goal, then that's ok, but it's ok if I didn't. (If you practice correctly, you would know that there are a lot of things that arises from waiting to achieve stretch goals -- anxiety, shame, guilt, etc. the usual suspects).

Token effort: over time (months), I started ratcheting up my nominal practice to longer and longer lengths of time. I tend to do it when I'm regularly hitting stretch goals effortlessly. However, I left room to be lazy. I allowed myself a "token effort", the absolute minimum I can do. It's set around 5 minutes. (These days, "token effort" has more to do with the quality of my mindfulness rather than length of time). I knew early on that, just like stretch goals, some days ... my mind is tricking me into persuading me into skipping for the day, and I counter with "well, why not just do a token effort". Then when I do it, end up going past the token effort and it turns into a regular sit length.

(4) Other side of gamification -- social cues. (Ever read a book called "The Talent Code"? If Malcolm Gladwell popularized the notion of "10,000" hours of practice, "The Talent Code" speaks about how to get there). In the Buddhist tradition, this would be the sangha, that is, fellow like-minded people also on this journey, although they might not be traveling the same path. Opensit.com is a great example. You log your time there and people help each other stay with the sit, as well as comment on when difficulties start arising.

If you seriously want to establish a practice, my suggestion is to start at the basic: just getting yourself on the cushion consistently every day. Focus on the process, not the results. No one will ever give you a gold star for attaining enlightenment (seriously, no one will give you a gold star for attaining enlightenment). There are interesting states you can reach in meditation, but if you cling to those states and you're not aware that you are clinging to those states, you're not really practicing impeccably, are you? (You could also cling to the process, turn it into an empty ritual, but for most people, the issue usually lies in getting started).

Hope that helps.

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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Thanks for this and the follow on posts. I've been inconsistent in my meditation, and have been consistent with it only during periods of extended freedom, usually between jobs or tasks. I've not had the discipline to stick with it when my To Do lists starting flowing over... and of course that's when the procrastination and anxiety kick in. I'm going to have a stab at more consistent meditation practice, and hopeful…

@kinlyd glad that helps. In my experience, the feelings that arise leading up to the practice time were exactly the feelings that arise leading to procrastination. One day, I found myself putzing around, avoiding the cushion, and knew that the practice has already started. What worked for me were a number of small things: (1) Dedicating a space for practice. When I first started, I dropped a cushion right next to my…

@hosh, /|\ I have nothing else to say except that I deeply appreciate your time.

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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Emotions are cognition. I think in the blooming of rationality as a mode of engaging the world we forgot to keep that in mind. It is easy to focus on the mode of cognition most amenable to rational methods, the verbal. Just because emotions are not words does not mean they do not follow their own logic. Engaging your emotions 'rationally' is extremely important! There is a reason why we fall in love with people who s…

Emotions are physical and are axiomatic to experience. It's hard to reason with something that doesn't talk back, hence most emotional states are altered via new experience and not reason -- such as a hug or a cookie.

Emotion is a constant stream of something real that emerges from within. We proceed to express them with thought, dance, music, etc. Without them we would have very little to express or digest. Most thought and contemplation can be traced to an emotion that we had or that isn't going away. eg. Hunger begs for the experience of ingestion and we naturally obsess about obtaining food while we are hungry. But reasoning with hunger doesn't work, etc etc. just some food for thought ;)

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Emotions are cognition. I think in the blooming of rationality as a mode of engaging the world we forgot to keep that in mind. It is easy to focus on the mode of cognition most amenable to rational methods, the verbal. Just because emotions are not words does not mean they do not follow their own logic. Engaging your emotions 'rationally' is extremely important! There is a reason why we fall in love with people who s…

Yep, there are different intelligences including emotional intelligence. It uses a different part of the mind. Emotions don't have logic or rationality, but they do have a observable, sometimes predictable dynamic. The processing of emotions are simple: experience it when it arises, allow it to do it's thing, and allow it to pass. There isn't a need to comment on it, though it is possible to gain some interesting ins…

Not just observing. Expressing is also key and is actually what most of us spend our time doing. At a higher level philanthropy is tied to empathy, terrorism to fear, entertainment to fun, food to hunger, family to love, even sleep to sleepiness, and so on. Human civilization practically runs on emotion and barbaric it is, but then what would we be left with? Maybe it's control that we should be after...

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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Yep, there are different intelligences including emotional intelligence. It uses a different part of the mind. Emotions don't have logic or rationality, but they do have a observable, sometimes predictable dynamic. The processing of emotions are simple: experience it when it arises, allow it to do it's thing, and allow it to pass. There isn't a need to comment on it, though it is possible to gain some interesting ins…

Not just observing. Expressing is also key and is actually what most of us spend our time doing. At a higher level philanthropy is tied to empathy, terrorism to fear, entertainment to fun, food to hunger, family to love, even sleep to sleepiness, and so on. Human civilization practically runs on emotion and barbaric it is, but then what would we be left with? Maybe it's control that we should be after...

Observing is the foundational skill. Expression is secondary and not what it is cracked up to be.

I've found that most of the time, people don't want to know what you are feeling. They want to know that you are feeling what they are feeling. The most crudest form of that is mirroring techniques, but that's actually not necessary and can be detrimental. It's a bandaid because the person is ignorant or unskilled in healing.

There is a Sanskrit word called "dukkha" that doesn't have an easy English cognate. The closest would be "existential anguish", something that lies underneath every single experience.

There is a particular way of opening yourself up to someone else's dukkha that I've found extremely effective. It's at that point, you forget about yourself ("this isn't about you"), and you drop all your psychological armoring, shielding, interpretations, etc. When I am mindful enough to remember to do that, people tend to walk away feeling better, even if I never say anything. Just listen.

Being able to do that requires meditation, and you first start with observing emotions as they come and go. It does not end there. At some point, you directly experience the insight that your self is an illusion, that this existential misery underlies everything and you cannot escape, and that the ground of being is emptiness. It's at that point you can listen to the dukkha.

Re: To Stop Procrastinating, Start by Understanding the Emotions Involved

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@kinlyd glad that helps. In my experience, the feelings that arise leading up to the practice time were exactly the feelings that arise leading to procrastination. One day, I found myself putzing around, avoiding the cushion, and knew that the practice has already started. What worked for me were a number of small things: (1) Dedicating a space for practice. When I first started, I dropped a cushion right next to my…

@hosh, /|\ I have nothing else to say except that I deeply appreciate your time.

Thanks.

Lately, I've been seriously thinking about writing a book, "Accelerating Your Spiritual Growth" with stuff like this in the early chapters. So I'm glad this info is useful to folks.

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