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Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #63
philangist wrote: post #6

I don't follow politics at all, but the more I read and hear about Bernie Sanders the more I like him. I'm sure we've got a few political experts on Hacker News so I'd love to hear if you guys think he actually has any chance of winning the presidency.

Sanders seems to just want to concentrate all power at a federal level, like the USSR did. The left claims to want a more European style governance model but fail to accept that the EU does not have one healthcare system, does not have one schooling system, and does not have one college system. When you concentrate all power into a small point it makes manipulating that power much easier for the elites. No longer do…

The founding fathers knew this [...] and that's why they intended on having a very limited federal government that had little control over social programs and whose main purpose was to see that states take it upon themselves to enforce rights provided by the constitution.

Hardly. The Articles of Confederation only lasted some 12 years and was very quickly superseded by the Constitution which granted a much stronger federal government with executive and taxing powers. Nor were the Founding Fathers in any harmonious agreement in the slightest. Since the beginning, there had been persistent debates from the federalist side (like Alexander Hamilton) and the anti-federalist side (like Thomas Jefferson), the debate still going on to this day.

As much as you and I may dislike it, Hamilton won.

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by bkmartin »

incepted wrote: post #67
ceejayoz wrote: post #12

There seems to be a trend to interesting/funny 404s for presidential campaigns. https://www.barackobama.com/45325r/ has a "thanks, Obama" GIF meme. https://www.bobbyjindal.com/dfka blames the 404 on Obama with #ThanksObama" too.

Jindal's page has a donation gadget on its 404 page... Classy.

What is wrong with that? It is an election campaign... you are visiting their website, they are going to ask for money. It is not like this is some "free" product that starts charging all of a sudden. Money drives the machine, doesn't mean I agree with it, just the facts. So why not throw the right hook?

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by nilkn »

pluma wrote: post #81
r3bl wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, it's no wonder that people like me two aren't speaking English natively get confused about that whole *'s thing.

As a rule of thumb, if you attach "'s" to something ending with an "s", only attach the apostrophe. But there's no problem if you do it wrong, it's just a stylistic convention to reflect the phonetics. And for plural "s": if the word normally ends in a "s" or "sh" or "z" sound (or possibly even "zh", i.e. the "j" in French "je") add an "es" instead of "s". Some words are irregular but irregular words by definition do…

As coldpie mentioned above, your rule of thumb is definitely up for debate. I understand that one can't be overly prescriptive in grammar, but it's still very common to append "'s" to a word ending in "s" already to make it possessive, depending on context, and this is recommended in many modern style manuals.

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by mason240 »

couchand wrote: post #38
ceejayoz wrote: post #12

There seems to be a trend to interesting/funny 404s for presidential campaigns. https://www.barackobama.com/45325r/ has a "thanks, Obama" GIF meme. https://www.bobbyjindal.com/dfka blames the 404 on Obama with #ThanksObama" too.

I wonder if the Jindal supporters realize that joke's on them?

They making fun of how the "Blame Bush" crowd immediately converted to "Thanks Obama" in 2009.

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by ceejayoz »

mason240 wrote: post #114
couchand wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if the Jindal supporters realize that joke's on them?

They making fun of how the "Blame Bush" crowd immediately converted to "Thanks Obama" in 2009.

Probably not. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/thanks-obama

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by artimaeis »

matwood wrote: post #100
philangist wrote: post #6

I don't follow politics at all, but the more I read and hear about Bernie Sanders the more I like him. I'm sure we've got a few political experts on Hacker News so I'd love to hear if you guys think he actually has any chance of winning the presidency.

I'm genuinely curious why you like him. I don't really understand the appeal because whenever I listen to him speak it is along the lines of 'we have people starving and oh we have millionaires.' Okay, great so what? Should we not have either? How does one fix the other? Anyways, I've been asking people who like him to really explain because I don't get it and often just see 'he speaks truth, you are an idiot if you…

Not sure if you were looking for someone to tell you why they like him - if not, I apologize for misunderstanding.

His platform - though overly ambitious - contains a bullet list of the exact things I believe are in desperate need of fixing in the nation. For the sake of brevity I'll stick with only 3:

> Rebuild Infrastructure

> Reverse Climate Change

> Health Care as a Right for All

I honestly don't understand how every candidate isn't running with at least the first of that list on their platform. Our infrastructure is barely viable at this point and has been limiting our growth since the start of the software revolution. This is a bigger problem on more local levels but those get their initiatives from the fed and thus it's a place to start.

Reversing climate change (or at least reducing the effect of it) is another I can't believe that every candidate isn't running with. The longer we wait to address the problem with meaningful change the worse of a future we guarantee. The worst outcome of heading down this path is that we were wrong about some specific technology delivering us from the perils at hand - but then (like a broken unit test) we know that won't work and can incorporate that knowledge into further endeavors.

Then there's healthcare. The ACA was an excellent stepping stone - but it has to be that. Something to get us through so we can pull ourselves to the next step. The fact that so many Americans are soon to be required to have another insurance fee is ridiculous. This is the exact type of service that is the reason we pay taxes. I understand that some people view taxes as some illegal manifestation of government power - I just disagree with that entire sentiment. The proper role of taxes seems to be to cover the costs of burdens that we all collectively share. Every person in this nation needs healthcare to some degree. The health insurance market has already shown us that we can create a way to account for varying costs among individuals. That pattern falls into the existing pattern of our tax code pretty easily. Remove the middle man profiting off of our shared burden, replace it with the state, and reduce our burden slightly.

So there's a nutshell of why I like Sanders. His platform appeals to me. It's not some notion of 'starving people and millionaires' - it's that he wants to change the country in a way that I think is 'better'. Like Obama - if he gets only a small amount of his ambition accomplished he will still have created a better place.

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by bkmartin »

kazinator wrote: post #96
3pt14159 wrote: post #56

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I would reconsider this approach that you have. I run web crawlers for fun and profit and there are several pages that you can assume a website might have, like robots.txt, humans.txt, sitemap.xml, sitemaps/sitemap-index.xml, blog.example.com, blog, etc. If someone is trying to get to admin.php, sure, ban them. Or if they are not following robots.txt. But sitemaps are not reliable enough sometimes and not all crawler…

> I run web crawlers for fun and profit Not my fun and profit, though.

You don't know that. He could be running a crawler that builds a service that ends up sending you very valuable traffic... Or you could be right... Not really enough info though.

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by dhimes »

coldpie wrote: post #53
dhimes wrote: post #31

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That's not the problem. The problem is that his name is Sanders, not Sander.

Well, yes. Sander's is right out. But that comes from a lack of understanding of how to make words-that-end-in-S into their possessive form, which is what I was addressing.

It seems more likely that it came from not knowing his name. But it's fixed now, so whatevs.

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by zxcvcxz »

vezzy-fnord wrote: post #111
zxcvcxz wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sanders seems to just want to concentrate all power at a federal level, like the USSR did. The left claims to want a more European style governance model but fail to accept that the EU does not have one healthcare system, does not have one schooling system, and does not have one college system. When you concentrate all power into a small point it makes manipulating that power much easier for the elites. No longer do…

The founding fathers knew this [...] and that's why they intended on having a very limited federal government that had little control over social programs and whose main purpose was to see that states take it upon themselves to enforce rights provided by the constitution. Hardly. The Articles of Confederation only lasted some 12 years and was very quickly superseded by the Constitution which granted a much stronger f…

What you're saying is a bit disingenuous. I never said anything about the articles of confederation and I was referring to the constitution as we know it. No where do I say the founding fathers wanted the federal government to have no power, just that they wanted the federal government to have limited power, and this is pretty undeniable. If they wanted all power concentrated at a federal level they would not have allowed the states to exist.

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by oluwie »

hyperbovine wrote: post #106
matwood wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm genuinely curious why you like him. I don't really understand the appeal because whenever I listen to him speak it is along the lines of 'we have people starving and oh we have millionaires.' Okay, great so what? Should we not have either? How does one fix the other? Anyways, I've been asking people who like him to really explain because I don't get it and often just see 'he speaks truth, you are an idiot if you…

He favors European style social democracy. His whole point is that there actually exist functioning countries where health care is universal and free, college is accessible to all, gay people have rights, etc etc., and that America could be one of those countries if we wanted to. Btw I learned this by spending five minutes last night reading about him and watching a short interview, so I think your comment gives him…

The problem with the U.S. and why universal health care potentially wouldn't work is in terms of scale. The U.S. has over 300M people living in it, over 8x as much as the most populous European country. We also have a history of hating and evading taxes at all costs (Boston Tea Party).

I'm not saying it can't work but the economics gets truly tricky when you're dealing with a country that big.

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