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Why do you assume that a female VC won't do the exact same calculation and still refuse funding? Women aren't some secret cabal that looks out for each other. They are literally normal people and just as nasty on average as everyone else.

I assume that male VC are worse at balancing the maternity calculation with the additional energy, motivation and intellectual skills a woman could bring to the team. Well that's a weak assumption and I have no data to back it, but I'm not at all naive enough to think they are in a secret cabal looking for each other.

I bet we would be surprised that women are more vicious towards other women in this regard -- a bit of the "I did it (or didn't do it), and I'm fine -- what's your excuse?" kind of thinking.

Re: Think women in tech is just a pipeline problem?

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From my experience: 1. It is a pipeline problem (I never got as much women applications as I wanted, even with targeting a women audience) 2. It is a problem of not enough role models for women (so women do not see themselves in tech and do not aspire for tech careers or for becoming CTOs - women CTOs go a long way here). 3. It is a problem of the vile and toxicity of the tech community in general (just see all the f…

>It is a problem of the vile and toxicity of the tech community in general (just see all the fights over programming languages, about being right vs. understanding each other).

I don't want that to change, I like it. Is that really something only dudes can like? It's an entire part of the IT field really, it's not gonna change. Like, ever.

Re: Think women in tech is just a pipeline problem?

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I'm sorry, but paying someone to take off for more than 1/3 of the year? Is this based on how long they are with the company before said leave? 4.5 months of maternity leave is very generous, and honestly enough for a physical recovery and to spend time with the baby. I'd even be in favor of 4-8 weeks maternity leave for new dads. I'm all for maternity leave, I think it's important, and there are too many companies t…

Here in Canada, maternity leave is a Federally-mandated full year. Before having a baby I thought that seemed excessive, but after having one, I see the value it brings at a critical time in a child's life. Now the idea that the US only allows for 2 weeks seems cruel and unusual.

I agree that two weeks is insane... and I understand why many would leave a job to stay at home for the first few years of a baby's life. I'm not sure I entirely understand having paid leave for that long though.

It would be easier to handle if the U.S. adopted a basic wage, and eliminated most of the welfare and subsidy programs.

Re: Think women in tech is just a pipeline problem?

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Wrt the pipeline, I have to agree to a large extent. I admit it, I'm biased on a lot of levels, not really against gender, but I will admit I prefer to work with men. That said, doing pre-screening of applications at a job a few years ago opened my eyes a lot. To be honest, I no longer hold much of any value to a resume... I've seen too many people with higher degrees and years of experience that can't seem to do wha…

> I admit it, I'm biased on a lot of levels, > not really against gender, > but I will admit I prefer to work with men. You don't see the contradictions here?

Not really... When I was younger I worked in several offices where I was the only man there... I'd rather not have that experience again. A workplace is a very different environment when the majority of people are of a single gender. I don't think that this is inherently a bad thing though.

When I work with women, I find I have to edit myself more in general conversation, which I don't like doing and would simply rather not.

My preference has nothing to do with a negative opinion on women, their skill or ability to do a job. I also don't have a problem interacting with them in the workplace on a regular basis (one of the best project experiences I've ever had was with a woman who was the PM on a project). I just prefer to work on a team where the people I interact with the most are men.

TBH I actually prefer when I can do an Army of One project where at least the piece I am working on can go for days without having to interact with others except for lunch. I tend to make it a point to get away from the desk and be more social during lunch break.

Re: Think women in tech is just a pipeline problem?

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I had a similar conversation with some (female) coworkers a while back. One, who's on her way to her JD, remarked how it upset her that she'd always have extra baggage because she's a woman -- that no matter what the people hiring her would always factor in the chance she could become pregnant once, twice, or even more times. Before I get off on the wrong foot, I think that maternity leave is a small price to pay if…

Your post mentions women leaving for maternity leave, but makes no mention of men leaving for paternity leave. It's probably a problem for society that we assume men are not interested in childcare and won't take much time off. > I almost want to liken it to my car insurance, as weird as it sounds. It's a little bit weird because we have so much information telling us that young men are much more likely to be involve…

> I don't think you're saying that we have a lot of evidence to show that women are going to be terribly costly hires.

No, you're right, I'm not. But biologically they are the only sex able to have babies, and paternity is still very far from catching on.

I should note I support paternity leave and hopefully will be taking it someday when I have children of my own.

Re: Think women in tech is just a pipeline problem?

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Most likely this submission will be flagged as most sexism or racism articles get flagged. Corporate American needs a major reform. US society need a major reform. Our culture and community need major reforms. The way boys and girls are raised need to be changed, the way they are educated and develop social skills and people skills need to change as well. As it is Corporate America and the Tech industry has developed…

> For me it got so stressful that in June 2001 I developed a mental illness from all of the stress I was under and all of the extra hours I worked. It's seriously a damn shame you worked yourself into a nervous breakdown. I can't possibly stress that enough. I've spent about ten years working a couple of tech jobs. Over those years, I've probably put in a few hundred hours of OT (unpaid or otherwise). If we're pessim…

In the 1980s and early 1990s there was no HTML and JavaScript yet. Some companies still used IBM mainframes and I had to know JCL/JECL and COBOL before I converted the programs to a different language like Turbo Pascal to run on a PC using DOS. Back then it was hard to learn how to program, not everyone could do it. I learned from books at the library and going to the right high school and college.

During the 1990s during the Dotcom boom I was helping people learn how to program in Visual BASIC and ASP using VBScript and JavaScript. The company would hire people who didn't know what they were doing, and I had to mentor them. Visual Studio had Visual Interdev which made making ASP pages better with an IDE to highlight syntax and preview the page before publishing it.

I learned stuff like Python and Java but most of what I worked for was Microsoft IT shops. My wife wouldn't let me relocate so I was stuck in the Saint Louis Missouri area.

I worked for a law firm that did VC funding and many people who worked before me left to do their own startups. We helped out a lot of local startups.

On Linkedin most people sponsor me for Databases because I had to fix problems with the SQL Server tables and indexes a lot. They'd hire someone to do DBA work and they'd mess it all up and I had to fix it. I did the same thing for VB and ASP code. I was considered a super debugger at the time.

I can do HTML, SQL, JavaScript, I learned C# and other languages. I could still work in theory but I am not medically cleared to work yet.

Part of my breakdown is they changed the deadlines from months to weeks for my projects and I had over 141 projects to be done because nobody else could get them to work. When someone failed to get a project done, they transferred it to me. The code was undocumented, no comments, and a big spaghetti mess and it forced me to rewrite parts of it just to get it to compile without errors.

I tried looking for a different job, but nobody was hiring in St. Louis because there was a recession going on.

If I went back to work, I'd take an entry level programming position and work for less pay and have less stress. I wouldn't mind being a junior level developer after all my experience.

I still get job offers but they are for high level stuff I am out of practice in. If I do go back to work it would be an easier job with less stress. One that they could help me with my mental illness and support me with it.

Re: Think women in tech is just a pipeline problem?

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I agree there is a problem, but is it ever frustrating having to tolerate completely fallacious statistics and bogus metrics every time someone talks about this. That sets the conversation back. There is no such thing as equally qualified for a promotion. To pretend that performance is a simple formula with two inputs is being disingenuous. It is a pipeline problem, because I have interviewed zero females and 100 mal…

>VCs investing disproportionately in male CEOs is hardly surprising because even if they have no bias, they know their money is on the line for someone who will be up against the rest of the tech and business world, with all of its bias.

This is an interesting concept. VC as a kind of Keynesian beauty contest. I'd imagine in a winner take all scenario, any asymmetry would feed back on itself and exaggerate. People must have studied this!

Re: Think women in tech is just a pipeline problem?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Canada, maternity leave is a Federally-mandated full year. Before having a baby I thought that seemed excessive, but after having one, I see the value it brings at a critical time in a child's life. Now the idea that the US only allows for 2 weeks seems cruel and unusual.

I agree that two weeks is insane... and I understand why many would leave a job to stay at home for the first few years of a baby's life. I'm not sure I entirely understand having paid leave for that long though. It would be easier to handle if the U.S. adopted a basic wage, and eliminated most of the welfare and subsidy programs.

Well, the Canadian method involves the parent going on Unemployment for the duration of the leave, so it's not 100% salary. Still, a better option than a child missing out on key parental bonding time.

Re: Think women in tech is just a pipeline problem?

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Most likely this submission will be flagged as most sexism or racism articles get flagged. Corporate American needs a major reform. US society need a major reform. Our culture and community need major reforms. The way boys and girls are raised need to be changed, the way they are educated and develop social skills and people skills need to change as well. As it is Corporate America and the Tech industry has developed…

> When I was a young boy in the 1970s it was different People in the 70's thought work life was hellacious and going deeper into hell, just like today, and every decade since (and probably every prior decade). I recall people declaring they weren't going to have children and bring them into the rotten world. Of course, the politicians all campaigned on fixing everything, just like today, and nothing changed, just lik…

As I grew up in the 1970s we knew it wasn't a perfect world. My father's generation wanted to fix things and make it better for our generation.

We had family picnics on the weekends because back then hardly anyone worked on the weekends.

Around the 1980s that had changed and the family picnics had stopped. It was the Me decade, Reagan was in charge, everything had changed and the PC Era had just started with the IBM PC and DOS dominating business.

I got an Amiga 1000 with the 1020 5.25" floppy drive and PC-Transformer software to emulate DOS on it. That way I had all the features of the Amiga and could still run DOS programs like Turbo Pascal for my college on it. Later on I got the Amax dongle and Mac 128 ROM chip to run Mac software on the Amiga. The fact that it ran DOS and Mac software didn't matter as the PCs had dominated the Amiga when VGA and Sound Blaster cards became standard.

I think since the 1970s that the world did get better because we got easier to use software and easier to use computers to make things easier for a lot of people. The Internet made buying things easier and web sites automated things to cut down on costs.

What got worse is that our advanced technology needs carbon burning power sources that contribute to global warming aka climate change. The world is still hell to some people and they might not want to raise children, but some people still raise children anyway.

The truth is most of the people do the hard work to make the elite 1% richer who profit from their labor. The only exception to this is doing your own startup and then building something worth value and then IPOing for millions to make yourself rich. The trick is having a business plan that works, and not just another Dotcom cookie cutter business plan ripped off from another company.

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