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Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Someone1234 wrote: post #95
TillE wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you do need to buy their software (or you did, until very recently), at least their operating system. In this case, Apple only sells their software in combination with hardware. $500 for a Mac (with a license to all their "free" software) is not terribly far from $200 for Windows 8 Pro.

> $500 for a Mac (with a license to all their "free" software) is not terribly far from $200 for Windows 8 Pro. Amazon: Windows 8.1 OEM, $89.99 Amazon: Windows 8.1, $99.97 Amazon: Windows 8.1 Pro, $174.99 Windows 8.1 Pro provides no tools you really need for software development[0][1] (although client hyper-v is nice), you can develop on the standard edition of 8.1 just fine. [0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo…

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Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by aphistic »

byuu wrote: post #37
provemewrong wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't you replace that Mac Mini HDD with a blazing fast SSD instead?

Because you need multiple types of Torx security screwdrivers and have to literally disassemble the thing 100% (including removing the HSF and pulling out multiple tiny ribbon cables) to get the hard drive out; and it completely voids your warranty to do so. And hopefully you made a USB install stick first, since they don't ship with install media anymore. I'm sure the next iteration of the Mini will go to 32GB/64GB(…

> And hopefully you made a USB install stick first, since they don't ship with install media anymore.

As if anybody actually does that any more? I just bought a new ThinkPad and it didn't even come with a manual, just a little sheet of paper telling me where to find the PDFs.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by PopeOfNope »

leonatan wrote: post #99
PopeOfNope wrote: post #90

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> I can buy any Thinkpad and boot Ubuntu with all hardware detected and functional. Until you try to hook up an external screen, then all bets are off. I know because I recently attempted to do just that (w530, ubuntu 14.04 LTS). Compare that to buying a macbook pro and it's no contest. The hardware is simply better supported.

That's a straw man argument. If you buy a purpose build hardware for Ubuntu support, you will get a similar working result. As well as on many other configurations. On the other hand OS X only truly supports Apple hardware. Almost every Hacintosh build suffers from some kind of incompatibility.

> On the other hand OS X only truly supports Apple hardware.

I don't care about pendantics. I care if I can plug a monitor into my laptop and have the damned thing work. Guess which one doesn't require me to battle with video drivers and make changes to the bios just to use the displayport?

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by sbuk »

leonatan wrote: post #99
PopeOfNope wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can buy any Thinkpad and boot Ubuntu with all hardware detected and functional. Until you try to hook up an external screen, then all bets are off. I know because I recently attempted to do just that (w530, ubuntu 14.04 LTS). Compare that to buying a macbook pro and it's no contest. The hardware is simply better supported.

That's a straw man argument. If you buy a purpose build hardware for Ubuntu support, you will get a similar working result. As well as on many other configurations. On the other hand OS X only truly supports Apple hardware. Almost every Hacintosh build suffers from some kind of incompatibility.

So was josteink's!

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by paulfurtado »

josteink wrote: post #6
csvan wrote: post #2

Needless to say, this is a gross EULA violation (clarification: if you do it on non-Apple hardware, that is).

Yes. Those legally binding EULAs with the associated EULA-violations we've constantly heard people getting jailed over. How about you Mac-heads come to terms with Macs being bog standard X86 hardware and OSX being a bog standard X86 OS, and that running a bog standard X86 OS on bog standard X86 hardware is absolutely within everyone's legal right to do? There's nothing special about your hardware nor OS. Get over it.…

You seem strangely hostile toward the people stating that it is a violation of the EULA, but none of these people are saying that they enjoy the EULA and none of them are expressing disapproval of you for violating the EULA.

> Yes. Those legally binding EULAs with the associated EULA-violations we've constantly heard people getting jailed over.

Businesses care about software EULAs, but no end-user is getting jailed for running OS X on x86 hardware, however, people who sell hackintosh computers have been sued and lost in court [1][2]. Also, it is unlikely anyone would go to jail over this (due to criminal law versus tort law), however it is quite likely a company egregiously violating OS X's EULA and profiting from it would be sued and lose in court.

> How about you Mac-heads come to terms with Macs being bog standard X86 hardware and OSX being a bog standard X86 OS

"Mac-heads" know this; however, "Mac-heads" may or may not support Apple's EULA terms. I don't think that any Mac fans enjoy the fact that they cannot legally run OSX in more places.

> running a bog standard X86 OS on bog standard X86 hardware is absolutely within everyone's legal right to do

See [1] and [2] again. I disagree with the outcome of the Psystar court case and it's clear that you do too, however, it has, in fact, been tested in court and unfortunately the courts decided that it is not "within everyone's legal right to do".

> In the meantime I will virtualize OSX to get the Mac-specific parts of my build and tests running, and leave everything else on proper Linux.

I will too, and I highly doubt Apple will ever go after you or I for doing so, however, it may be unwise for a business to do so at a significant scale (but Apple may still turn a blind eye so as not to be hostile towards developers which enhance the platform).

As a final note, I am a 100% Linux user, I try to avoid using proprietary software, I do not enjoy using OS X, I do not like Apple's business practices, and I also think you should be able to run OS X in a VM legally, however, in the current version of the United States, that is not the case.

[1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/29/court_denies_final_p...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psystar_Corporation

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by byuu »

aphistic wrote: post #102
byuu wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you need multiple types of Torx security screwdrivers and have to literally disassemble the thing 100% (including removing the HSF and pulling out multiple tiny ribbon cables) to get the hard drive out; and it completely voids your warranty to do so. And hopefully you made a USB install stick first, since they don't ship with install media anymore. I'm sure the next iteration of the Mini will go to 32GB/64GB(…

> And hopefully you made a USB install stick first, since they don't ship with install media anymore. As if anybody actually does that any more? I just bought a new ThinkPad and it didn't even come with a manual, just a little sheet of paper telling me where to find the PDFs.

The Zotac ZBOX I just bought came with reinstall media for Windows 8.1.

Which was a good thing, because it shipped from the factory in Korean language mode.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by supercoder »

josteink wrote: post #79
PopeOfNope wrote: post #76

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At the very least, it's less hassle than linux thanks largely to well supported hardware. As for the beauty of the hardware and software, it becomes less so with every passing year.

On the contrary I find OSX's hardware support very poor compared to Linux. I can buy any Thinkpad and boot Ubuntu with all hardware detected and functional. I cannot do the same with OSX.

Well I can certainly buy any Macbook and boot OSX and have all hardware detected and functional too.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by cerberusss »

Now I remember why I don't like VirtualBox. There's always some problem when I use it. In this case, I followed the exact instructions. I have a non-functioning trackpad in the guest, which sometimes happens, and sometimes not. In the OS X installer, I also can't select the disk to install to. And when I powered down the VM and powered it up again, I get an error message "Error loading kernel cache (0x9)". That seems to be fixed when you follow the FAQ for "Stuck on boot".

The non-functioning trackpad I can get around, by rebooting until it works. Anybody had the problem where you can't select the target disk in the installer?

Edit: got it. You have to format the disk. In the installer, go to Disk Utility and "erase" the disk. This formats and partitions it.

Re: Install OS X 10.10 Yosemite in VirtualBox

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Post by pluma »

chrisBob wrote: post #85
pluma wrote: post #63

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Not that old. The US is just an infant by comparison, that is all. If you want an old country, look at China.

The Republic of China is only about 100 years old.

The PRC, yes. China, no.

That's like saying Germany is only 70 years old because the Federal Republic was only created after WW2.

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