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No Longer Wanting to Die

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Re: No Longer Wanting to Die

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Treatment for depression is badly handled almost universally... It seems as if people still don't generally understand that it's more than 'feeling a bit sad'. If you break your knee, you will (99.9% chance) go and see a doctor. If the first doctor doesn't fix it, you'll see another. Your knee is broken, unusable, painful and you have a drive to fix it. A more serious injury will generally result in a friend/family m…

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Re: No Longer Wanting to Die

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>having no friends for 14 years can be disruptive WHAT THE UNHOLY FLYING FUCK!? How are you not dead? No actual personal relationships closer than coworker or acquaintance, other than possibly your parents? Near-total personal isolation? FOR 14 YEARS!? That would have broken me in mere months.

"How are you not dead?" And what would you have me do about it - Kill myself. Not really a solution. is it? Most rich people will break if they are forced to live in poverty. Most people take what they have for granted. Rarely realizing, how lucky they are.

I'd like to believe that the commenter meant to express admiration for your strength in getting through so many difficult years. But if he didn't feel that way, I sure do, and I bet most people reading this thread do. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.

Re: No Longer Wanting to Die

#103

Treatment for depression is badly handled almost universally... It seems as if people still don't generally understand that it's more than 'feeling a bit sad'. If you break your knee, you will (99.9% chance) go and see a doctor. If the first doctor doesn't fix it, you'll see another. Your knee is broken, unusable, painful and you have a drive to fix it. A more serious injury will generally result in a friend/family m…

I feel like laughing not out of happiness but out of despair(think: The Killing Joke) because I exactly understand what you mean by 'pointless'.

Re: No Longer Wanting to Die

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Treatment for depression is badly handled almost universally... It seems as if people still don't generally understand that it's more than 'feeling a bit sad'. If you break your knee, you will (99.9% chance) go and see a doctor. If the first doctor doesn't fix it, you'll see another. Your knee is broken, unusable, painful and you have a drive to fix it. A more serious injury will generally result in a friend/family m…

> even getting to the stage of seeing a doctor can fail, because suddenly everything is 'pointless' (bad wording. sorry.) Everything actually is pointless, since all matter and energy will dissipate from entropy on a long enough time span. Also everyone you know will be dead in 100 years, most likely. Also most of these people would go see their doctor if there was a million dollars in gold waiting there for them. It…

I can't agree with this. Having had a lovely time with depression a couple of times you could double that amount and it wouldn't even register. Depression isn't a lack of motivation, a lack of motivation is a symptom of the greater issue

Merely anecdotal evidence of course, but I don't think you're on the right path here

Re: No Longer Wanting to Die

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>having no friends for 14 years can be disruptive WHAT THE UNHOLY FLYING FUCK!? How are you not dead? No actual personal relationships closer than coworker or acquaintance, other than possibly your parents? Near-total personal isolation? FOR 14 YEARS!? That would have broken me in mere months.

"That would have broken me in mere months." a) You are being mean, with no reason. b) He is stronger than you.

Wait wait wait. You're saying that expressing comparative weakness to show sympathy is being mean?

What?

Re: No Longer Wanting to Die

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Being told to pray is pretty much the antithesis of good therapy.

Not necessarily. I haven't researched it beyond what my doctor told me, but "studies have shown" that for people who have prayer as part of their life to begin with, prayer can be very helpful. Not for the GP commenter, so that suggestion wasn't helpful, but certainly for people already open to it. And doesn't that make sense? We're not merely bodies and brains, a biological machine built to specification, arriving a…

I see (religious) prayer as simply a form of deliberate enunciation or vocalisation of hope. One would likely only pray if there was even the smallest glimmer of hope to begin with! Doesn't matter if it's a call for a miracle, there's still some dopamine activity there.

The idea of encouraging the hopeless to pray as a method of bootstrapping themselves out of depression may simply be an appeal to a more cognitive self-realisation process. This simply by the act of vocalising what the individual hopes for.

Re: No Longer Wanting to Die

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Totally speculative, but I think this might have something to do with a high demand for good therapists. For instance, I spoke recently with a friend who was studying to practice psychoanalysis and when I asked him if he was looking for clients, he turned me down in such a way as to suggest 'you're not on the level of my clientele' or at least 'I have all the clients I need.' This was in New York where I'm sure there…

Or maybe he didn't want a friend as a patient. You're not supposed to bond with your therapist but if you're already a friend it's too late. So his rejection may have been ethical and not about your worth as a patient.

Should have mentioned he was more of a friend-of-a-friend and he also mentioned to me that he does see acquaintances.
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