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French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Not a silver bullet. With this we'd still have the death penalty; or voted for populists measures like banning minarets.

Then you don't really believe in democracy, and I have to disagree.

Please take a look at what happened in Athens a few thousand years ago. You'll see that even then people were susceptible to fear mongering and manipulation, so in effect the real power was in the hands of a few. People has always been stupid, there's no way around that, sorry.

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It just took ONE small-scale false flag operation "Charlie Hebdo" for the French people to give up their rights and for their predatory security apparatus to jump and devour them.

"False Flag" is quite an assertion to be making. Do you have proof..?

Not the person you're replying to but I'll answer anyway. The theory that the Charlie Hebdo attacks was a false flag attack was raised by Paul Craig Roberts of the Reagan administration.[1]

I find it a pretty incredible claim, but it's coming from a somewhat credible source regardless. Coupled with the fact that we do know false flag operations have been used and planned for use in the past, it's not hard to see why it's a theory given weight to.

[1]http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2...

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Well, the NSA was really pissed when Snowden revealed they did it secretly but France is passing a law to do it officially.

That only means the french people are more socialist and open to oppressive government acts than US people are.

It's funny how "US people" (I assume you are one) tend to equate "socialist" and "oppressive", conveniently forgetting the state-sponsored torture and murders of the right-wing regimes they propped up during their history. Authoritarian regimes are authoritarian regimes, whatever block they align themselves with.

Side note: I have not noticed that the NSA got dismantled or that representatives supporting this kind of surveillance faced huge backlash in the polls... Unfortunately, lawmakers on both sides of the Atlantic appear to be ready to do anything for "security", and their voters are too apathetic to react.

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From machine translation of his tweets, he seems to be saying that an amendment (#437) was added last night, before the bill was passed, that makes things not so bad for datacenters. Can anyone with better French than me say what the amendment was?

The amendment is, as Tristan Nitot said, "A lot of promises, very few facts". And even after saying that the amendment improves the situation, Octave still says that the law is bad: https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/588670226138583040

You know exactly how much you can trust the promises of politicians in general and the current administration in particular...

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(French here). This was quite expected, the government slowly adopted more and more laws to restrict freedom and to watch everyone during the past ten years, this is not the first nor the last law, this is just another step for the next law which will be even worse. The government is even censoring comments on social media about the law when it's not going in their direction (I'm not even joking). The French democrac…

> The government is even censoring comments on social media about the law when it's not going in their direction

Do you have a source for that? I'm genuinely curious.

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No, you need direct democracy. With modern communications, there is no reason to organize frequent elections on key issues, like in Switzerland.

Not a silver bullet. With this we'd still have the death penalty; or voted for populists measures like banning minarets.

Ooh, what a delightfully aristocratic objection. We can't give the lesser peoples self-rule, they'd rule themselves wrong!!

Have you considered any noblesse oblige-style colonization and rule of third-world nations? Sounds like a good match.

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They announced that they are going to relocate, indeed: https://eu.ovh.com/fr/news/articles/a1743.le-gouvernement-ve... And launched a big initiative to federate tech actors against the bill: http://ni-pigeons-ni-espions.fr/ ######## Breaking ######## Octave Klaba finally declares that the bill doesn't compromise the trust chain. https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/588666965755092993

OVH seems to be turning back on their threats. In his Twitter, Octave Klaba modestly announced that everything is OK now after an amendment 437 was added. This is largely disputed: http://www.numerama.com/magazine/32806-boites-noires-le-gouv... Black boxes are still there. Some light safeguards are added, notably approval of Prime Minister, but it still remains quite vague.

It is hard to take their threat seriously. It must be horribly expensive to move a huge datacentre without disrupting the service. The most they could have done is to move their headquarters, which wouldn't protect them from this law, and make all their growth outside of France, which is what pretty much all major French corporations do already anyway.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Not a silver bullet. With this we'd still have the death penalty; or voted for populists measures like banning minarets.

Then you don't really believe in democracy, and I have to disagree.

Nope, and neither should you.
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