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Re: The Shut-In Economy

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Good job Lauren ... I really enjoyed reading the article ... NYT caliber indeed but I wish that you could give more space to workers so they could express their points of view regarding the whole situation.

Seconded - there are some interesting/challenging social dilemmas ahead for the 1st world in particular.

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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I took a look at your previous submissions and I think you've already heard the advice I'd give. If you haven't already, I think it might be useful to contact your doctor and at least rule out the possibility of depression. Depression isn't just an attitude, it's an actual chemical imbalance. It's something that happens to all kinds of people and investigating it might lead you to a fix. I've had periods where I've f…

"It's an actual chemical imbalance" It's actually a hypothesis that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance.

I wish more people knew this. The entire "chemical imbalance" shtick is a myth. If you are ever told this, your response should be, "What chemical? What level am I at? What level should I be at?".. But, alas, there is no blood test, or any other kind of test, which can yet determine this. That's not science.

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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The most 'jarring' part in the article was "But when the Homejoy app maid shows up at her apartment, she feels uncomfortable. The class implications of someone cleaning her toilet are jarring." Income inequality will always exist in capitalistic society and to a certain level that's ok. Whats not so cool it to feel as if they are inferior just because thats how they're making the best of their life circumstances. As…

I would imagine that this wouldn't normally be as big of an issue if it wasn't a service offered in SF or NY, where there is already a lot of animosity around wealth and its impact on the community around it.

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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Same here. Live in a beautiful city, cool friends, lovely girlfriend. Plenty of things exist here of which I can objectively say they're awesome, and in many things I'm genuinely interested, and so I avidly read and follow the news, whether it's social topics, economics, politics, tech etc. Yet I hold very little interest in experiencing anything personally. If I had to describe it succinctly; I've become a dedicated…

> It's pretty ridiculous and something very strongly tells me it's the wrong way to live life Maybe? It's hard to tell. At least for some of us, I think the "something" telling you to get out and have fun is just society in general (and media in particular) telling us that we're supposed to be out doing "exciting" things with beautiful, interesting people.

Definitely. if I somehow tragically were to lose my parents and brother, and lost touch with friends and all who wouldn't check my Linkedin, i.e. nobody to check if I'm a success or failure or to judge me... I wouldn't mind as much to live the life I do now. So there's definitely a sense of community pressure. I wrote about it in another comment briefly; this notion that life is malleable and you can be anything and do anything is really depressing. Because it almost implies that if you're not Steve Jobs, you're really doing something wrong. While the notion that life is malleable is supposed to be uplifting and motivating, it can also be depressing. Yet the thought is absolutely pervasive in our culture. Hell to take Jobs as an example, his well known speech on everything around us is designed, and you can design things, too, so empowering [0]... can to some people be interpreted as 'I didn't design anything nor have any good ideas on new designs, I'm an idiot'.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZyUlHtxoBs

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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This is how I feel. I don't watch TV for hours like I did as a child. What I do now is worse; stay in doors programming, browsing the web aimlessly, or staring at the ceiling. I don't blame my internet lifestyle for this really, but I literally don't know what else to do and the internet is so accommodating to me being a shut-in. I know I'm wasting my life but I don't know how to stop. San Francisco is a beautiful ci…

Any sites you recommend that are interesting? Or favorite docs found on vimeo/youtube/whatever?

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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This is how I feel. I don't watch TV for hours like I did as a child. What I do now is worse; stay in doors programming, browsing the web aimlessly, or staring at the ceiling. I don't blame my internet lifestyle for this really, but I literally don't know what else to do and the internet is so accommodating to me being a shut-in. I know I'm wasting my life but I don't know how to stop. San Francisco is a beautiful ci…

If you get an opportunity, you can take a few weeks or months off and do something crazy and awesome:

http://www.outwardbound.org/course-finder/?age=&programs%5B%...

It sounds like you can afford it.

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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> “We’re trying to remove the taboo and the guilt that you should have to do it,” says Alfred’s CEO every time i use one of these services i feel a bit guilty. twofold; guilty that i have someone literally serving me, and that i'm too lazy to do it myself. i still use them occasionally though. laundry every 2 weeks because i don't have in-unit, and occasional food delivery when i'm feeling especially lazy - i try to…

This isn't criticism, just curiosity: do you feel guilty when you pay someone to cut your hair or dispose of your garbage (assuming the latter service isn't included in your housing... that varies, of course). Those are both things that would have been done by servants in the past, but that most people still have done today rather than doing themselves. One advantage of having a buzz cut is that it's easy to cut my o…

I can't speak for the GP, but I think some of the guilt from realizing that the people who perform these jobs often have a very low standard of living and very little job security or life prospects.

Of course there have always been poor service workers in that situation, and as a society we've haven't really cared much about it (i.e. decades long minimum wage stagnation). People are talking about it now because of the stark contrast against the VC-fueled valuations of these companies, and the rapidly growing inequality of places like the Bay Area and NYC.

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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Obviously these services are useful and can save you time now, but they are, generally speaking, rather expensive. That means you end up saving less and probably will be working for more years rather than retiring early.

I think it's a fallacy to think these "saved hours" translate directly into additional paid work. Most of the folks using these services are in salaried jobs, and don't benefit financially by working an extra few hours a week.

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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Don't underestimate the value in a multitude of skills. When Argentina's economy collapsed in 2001, I'd prefer to know how to write code, do laundry, and wash toilets than only knowing how to write code.

>Don't underestimate the value in a multitude of skills. I'm sure pretty much everybody who hires a cleaning service knows how to clean a toilet.

I'm sure

I'm not.

Re: The Shut-In Economy

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Same here. Live in a beautiful city, cool friends, lovely girlfriend. Plenty of things exist here of which I can objectively say they're awesome, and in many things I'm genuinely interested, and so I avidly read and follow the news, whether it's social topics, economics, politics, tech etc. Yet I hold very little interest in experiencing anything personally. If I had to describe it succinctly; I've become a dedicated…

>cool friends, lovely girlfriend. I don't have any of those.

I don't quite know what to say... although I nearly wouldn't have, either. My girlfriend fell in love just as I was slipping into this new shut-in life. She had to adjust to me not really wanting to go to a cafe, movie, restaurant, park, museum, party, friends etc. It's the reason I wanted to break up and told her it's not going to work out like this. But she refused and stayed with me, we moved in together and it's been years now. But it hasn't been the same like 2 years earlier when I was a typical boyfriend, interested in participating in all facets of life and doing all of the above mentioned things and enjoying them, too. It's quite strange how it went and I'd still be okay with her finding someone else. I mean don't get me wrong I absolutely adore her but it's just how it is, something irrational.

Same with friends, I've not instigated contact in 2 years now with any of my friends. I still have 3 who hit me up and I go see either of em a few times a month because they want to. But I'd also be okay if they stopped calling.

Same with family. I hate to say it. I'd definitely still check in on them if they stopped calling, the only people really, but there's no real desire to hang out or talk, I'd just be really curious and concerned about how they're doing but not more than that.

So it's really because of them, not me. Wish it was all like 3 years ago. Now I couldn't even get excited for a free holiday trip. Hell I used to love that. Traveled Europe, Africa, Asia and North America by the time I was 20. Now I don't even want to walk in the park when it's nice outside, and I literally live next to a park. Crazy how a brain can change for no discernible reason.

When did things start to change for you, has it always been like this?

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