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Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding

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Post by Touche »

rottingchris wrote: post #82
Touche wrote: post #57

I honestly can't figure out what he's attempting to do here. It sounds like he doesn't want to force a work email account on his employees. I don't think many people would have a problem with a work email, it's the norm after all, but fine. But he also doesn't want to add their personal email addresses to his address book (is this why he wants the @dnalounge.com addresses?) I'm not sure what this setup is attempting…

He does create a work email account for his employees. He doesn't want to force them to use a separate email client so he allows his employees to set up forwarding from his server to their personal gmail account. They can use his smtp server from gmail for sending stuff out so they get to use both their personal and work email from the same interface.

I've never used an email client that didn't support multiple accounts.

So again, I'm not sure what problem he's trying to solve here. To be clear I'm not saying he shouldn't be able to set up his email this way and have it work, just that I don't get why he WANTS to do it this way. What is it accomplishing?

Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding

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Post by tls »

rev_bird wrote: post #89
tls wrote: post #73

1: email is hosted offsite, yet reliant on Google/Gmail to do in house work/intermail. 2: when you are reliant on an external source to solve a problem within your own house you are not prepared. 3: solution: reduce reliance or point of failure by either bringing it all in house and forwarding the remains or bring root to the source and source from root and use mask and forwarding.

I'm confused -- are you saying doing your own email hosting is the way to avoid getting stung by Gmail spam filters? Seems like an "out of the pot and into the fire" kind of situation.

confusion is the root of the problem, either remove the offending host and do it all in house or move yourself within the root of the problem and continue conducting business.

he could bounce off another provider/server so he can still maintain what he is doing now - he just has not explored any other solution except blaming. the arguement "it should just work" is not vaild if you are reliant on another service.

Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding

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Post by mst »

jmount wrote: post #22
andybak wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally speaking I downvoted your comment because I often downvote things that smack of conspiracy thinking - never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. Another issue I have with your argument - I don't believe Gmail has the market share to make such a fiendish strategy viable.

I said it could be an accident in the original post. And try doing business with small businesses and then tell me what market share you perceive GMail as having.

You did say that, but it felt like a disclaimer rather than something you genuinely considered to be a possibility.

I think, right or wrong, you'd probably get a better result if the rage in your text was clearly directed at the consequences rather than the motives - if nothing else because, as you say, the motives don't actually change the consequences and it's the consequences you, I, and everybody else who likes having their own email setup has to suffer.

(to be clear, I'm not commenting on whether or not you should have been downvoted, only on my best guess as to how to get across the same information without it happening)

Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding

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Post by mst »

warfangle wrote: post #65
Touche wrote: post #57

I honestly can't figure out what he's attempting to do here. It sounds like he doesn't want to force a work email account on his employees. I don't think many people would have a problem with a work email, it's the norm after all, but fine. But he also doesn't want to add their personal email addresses to his address book (is this why he wants the @dnalounge.com addresses?) I'm not sure what this setup is attempting…

Neither am I. Especially since you can configure gmail to serve as an interface to arbitrary third party POP3/IMAP services.

Which he mentions as being a viable but undesirable option.

"This would work but I'd rather find a more elegant solution" seems like a perfectly reasonable desire to me.

Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding

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Post by jedbrown »

reidrac wrote: post #17

It's been years since I last did some serious email hosting, but it looks like the SPF rule is the problem. Google is forwarding mail for dnalounge.com but the SPF rule doesn't allow Google's SMTP servers to do that: "v=spf1 a mx ptr ~all". That could explain why the email gets in the spam box; failing SFP should increase the "spam score". Besides I think SOFTFAIL shouldn't be used in production; and I also doubt tha…

Gmail's "send as" feature doesn't work that way.

"A@dnalounge.com is logged in to GMail Web Client as A@gmail.com and sends a message to B@dnalounge.com. Google's SMTP servers deliver that to cerebrum.dnalounge.com with an envelope sender of A@gmail.com. (THIS IS WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS.) cerebrum turns around and bent-pipe forwards back to Google's SMTP servers, who determine that Google's SPF record doesn't list cerebrum as a designated sender for gmail.com (given the preserved envelope sender of A@gmail.com)."

http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-...

Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding

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Post by strictnein »

reidrac wrote: post #17

It's been years since I last did some serious email hosting, but it looks like the SPF rule is the problem. Google is forwarding mail for dnalounge.com but the SPF rule doesn't allow Google's SMTP servers to do that: "v=spf1 a mx ptr ~all". That could explain why the email gets in the spam box; failing SFP should increase the "spam score". Besides I think SOFTFAIL shouldn't be used in production; and I also doubt tha…

You are correct. SOFTFAILs should not be used and they will cause problems.

Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding

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Post by inigoesdr »

gchokov wrote: post #6

These guys.. is it just me, that think that Google miss some serious traction? Fundamental things like Email Forwarding not working now? Is everything just hit and miss there at Google HQ?

One guy out of millions having problems forwarding email is indicative of everything being hit and miss across all Google projects? You and the OP might be jumping to some unjustified conclusions.

Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding

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Post by pat2man »

Touche wrote: post #101
rottingchris wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He does create a work email account for his employees. He doesn't want to force them to use a separate email client so he allows his employees to set up forwarding from his server to their personal gmail account. They can use his smtp server from gmail for sending stuff out so they get to use both their personal and work email from the same interface.

I've never used an email client that didn't support multiple accounts. So again, I'm not sure what problem he's trying to solve here. To be clear I'm not saying he shouldn't be able to set up his email this way and have it work, just that I don't get why he WANTS to do it this way. What is it accomplishing?

Gmail.com is this email client. You can't add an external account, you have to forward.

Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding

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Post by xkarga00 »

They enjoy breaking things in general

http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.ca/2014/04/new-security...

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-gmail

Gmail accounts created on or about June 2014 (exact date unknown, Google only mentions "second half of 2014" in their new authentication blog post) won't work with Thunderbird until the Thunderbird team implements Google's non-email-standard authentication. This is currently scheduled for Thunderbird 38 which will be released on April 7, 2015. See bug 849540 for the full technical details

Re: Google seems to have broken email forwarding

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Post by eli »

guelo wrote: post #99
eli wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's malicious. Running mail servers and filtering spam is not easy.

Google has attempted to kill open protocols like xmpp and RSS in order to lock people into their services. Why is it so crazy to think they could be trying with GMail?

Not crazy, just unlikely.
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