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The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Until we know why the panel is so cheap I love my Apple products, but Apple fanboys..come on. It took me less than 5 minutes to find out why the panel is so cheap. Seriously, why must you always be so...gushing? P.S. Instapaper is brilliant!

No, seriously . Have you seen the followup response at http://jimcloudman.tumblr.com/post/223517306/re-the-curious-... ?? It's so amazingly ridiculous. You have to read the whole thing, but here's an excerpt: I think another part of it, though, is that the panel manufacturer must be drooling over the fact that this is really the only way to move a lot of high-end panels, and therefore gain access to serious economies…

Apple fanboyism is not powered by rationality or facts.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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No, both of those appear to be 2560 at 30", which is a lower DPI than the one under discussion. Since that's the only way that the 27" screens are better than the pre-existing 30" screens, it must be the metric that was meant.

That's 30" diagonal at a different aspect ratio (16:10), so the DPIs aren't as far off as they sound. The bigger problem is that neither of the linked 30" panels are LED backlit.

LED backlighting is nice. But since these are LG panels, I'm sure we'll see them in refrigerators and washing machines by year's end.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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I was talking about the computers. $1700 is far too much for a low end system, monitor or no monitor. Those specs (sans display) are available for But to that end the iMac isn't a LED display either, it's LED backlit. If I could find a $1000 27" 2560x1440 LED or O-LED display I'd be in line in front of you.

I'm not following you. $800 for the display $500 for the computer components $100 for the aluminum case $100 for the wireless keyboard and hi-tech mouse $100 for OS X and iLife $100 for beautiful industrial design $1700 sounds like a fine deal to me. I'm tempted to buy one right now, but I'm forcing myself to wait for the first component refresh that will come in 6 or 8 months. Core 2 Duo is about to go obsolete.

You can keep lowering your component prices on your list till this makes sense to you. But let's be honest, you'd buy this machine no matter what because that's simply what you are into. The value proposition argument doesn't factor into fanhood.

not a knock, just an observation, I'm thinking these look pretty sexy as well

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Just showing that $100 is outrageous for a wireless mouse and keyboard. Here's one for just a hair more with solid reviews. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126... It's not hard to find reasonable quality at a good price point.

I've actually used that keyboard - it's nowhere near the quality of the Apple keyboard. Keys are mushy and soft, and even the chiclet keys have a more solid feel than that. Not to mention the whole thing reeked of plasticy cheapness. Let me put it this way. If I drive once a week, I'd save money and get a little econobox Toyota. If, however, I spent 8 hours a day behind the wheel, I'd invest in a BMW or something els…

>not to mention the whole thing reeked of plasticy cheapness

Well, it is a cheap combo. ;)

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Why would you not factor in the design? Goto NewEgg.com and price out some nice Lian-Li cases. They're expensive. Yes, you can get a junky finger slicer case with loud fans and tacky lights for ~$50 but that's not what I want

Why does th design matter beyond "look at me, I'm using an overpriced collection of stock hardware". It's the old saying "you can't polish a turd". Commodity hardware is always going to be commodity hardware no matter how shiny the case is.

Well, the point is is that while maybe the guts are off-the-shelf, but the system design is not.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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there’s an entire high-end computer stuck to the back of it Actually, there's an entire discount-parts ($150 cpu, $70 video card) computer stuck to the back of it. If you configure it with high-end parts the price goes up to $2200 and even then you're getting a previous-generation video card (radeon 4850 rather than the new 5850). It's not really so curious. Apple does the "make exclusive deal with a supplier and bea…

The breathless claim of a "high end computer" stuck out to me also. The iMac computer parts are one step up from bargain bin. They aren't the cheapest possible, but on a scale with two ends, they aren't near the "high" end of that scale. I also like the author's math, a 25% price difference isn't much? sigh

It's high-end because it's Apple. Any more performance, and it'd be a supercomputer.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_19990907/ai_...

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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This is making me wish I'd read the article that went by a couple days ago with a headline like "Are new Apple iMacs a harbinger of the new Apple TV?" Because if I felt like mongering a crazy Apple-related rumor on a subject which I know nothing about [1], I'd guess that one good way to get a manufacturer to grant you a crazy price break is to tell them that, as soon as they can ramp up production to the necessary le…

Apple would have to get their playback environment up to media center standards. Even the Apple TV was a usability nightmare by home theater standards.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Just showing that $100 is outrageous for a wireless mouse and keyboard. Here's one for just a hair more with solid reviews. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126... It's not hard to find reasonable quality at a good price point.

HN won't let me reply direct...so I'm replying to myself. If I spend $30 on a keyboard mouse/combo. And it breaks in 6 months, I can just throw it away and get a replacement and still have coffee money. And in 6 months, the keyboard/mouse combo I buy for $30 will be better than the one that I could have bought 6 months prior for $70. No matter what I bought, I'd likely be in the market for a replacement (or would jus…

"If I spend $30 on a keyboard mouse/combo. And it breaks in 6 months, I can just throw it away and get a replacement and still have coffee money."

And through all of this you're still using a cheap $30 keyboard. Why buy something cheap and disposable just to replace it 6 months later? Sure, your TCO is still lower than the nicer keyboard - but the ease of use and satisfaction is easily worth the difference, not to mention a hell of a lot less wasteful. Why I would skimp on my primary interface to the computer (your hands are on that damn thing all day, after all), is a mystery to me.

"You've used the word "investing" in a way that makes no sense."

Of course it doesn't make sense to you - you appear to think that "investment" can only occur in a monetary sense. This explains your focus on TCO without regard for the quality of the product. When I "invest" in a nice suit, I'm not expecting my garments to appreciate in monetary value - I'm expecting to receive some tangible non-monetary benefit (landing that job, for example, or better networking) for it. In the same way, "investing" in tech gear is about greater satisfaction, reduced frustration, etc etc. It is not about my computer somehow appreciating in value.

"I could buy two or three Toyota Corollas for one BMW 3xx, get to where I want on time, more reliably, with better gas mileage (read: lower TCO), and the only thing I'll suffer for it is not looking like a pretentious prick will doing it."

Your objection against Apple is apparently more about its image than any tangible complaint. This is fine - and is in fact the most common argument against Apple products ("but you look like a hipster douche!").

Question: have you driven a BMW? Or are you presuming that there's no tangible difference except the image component? I've worked in the auto industry - and have done work for both cheapo Pontiacs as well as $100K+ Mercedes Benzes. The quality difference is extreme, but of course invisible on any consumer spec sheet. This is why spec sheet tunnel vision is generally a bad idea when it comes to purchases - there's more to a car (and computer) than its engine size, mileage, CPU speed, L2 cache size, etc etc.

If you've ever been behind the wheel of a BMW you'd know the difference between it and a Corolla. It's a far more satisfying machine to drive than a Corolla, by a really, really wide margin.

But by all means, cling to your unfounded prejudices about BMW drivers and Mac users. We'll be out there enjoying our products (in a non-douchey way, I promise). It seems you're willing to deny yourself better quality products simply because you don't want to be associated with the few people who act like dicks about having them.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Until we know why the panel is so cheap I love my Apple products, but Apple fanboys..come on. It took me less than 5 minutes to find out why the panel is so cheap. Seriously, why must you always be so...gushing? P.S. Instapaper is brilliant!

No, seriously . Have you seen the followup response at http://jimcloudman.tumblr.com/post/223517306/re-the-curious-... ?? It's so amazingly ridiculous. You have to read the whole thing, but here's an excerpt: I think another part of it, though, is that the panel manufacturer must be drooling over the fact that this is really the only way to move a lot of high-end panels, and therefore gain access to serious economies…

Come on now, you don't have to buy one and these sort of posts are only going to make your OS of choice more competitive. Bring it on: the more choice there is the better things will be.

Doesn't the article mention Dell's monitor?

Scientists cannot make low-cost hardware if there is no market, LG probably welcome apple's move as it allows them to ramp production up sooner.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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I use a 2-column layout on a 30" Apple Cinema display. Each of the columns has a 4:5 (8:10) aspect ratio, which is actually excellent for programming. If you did this on the new iMac, you'd get 2x 8:9, which is still pretty good. You soon don't want to miss the high number of vertical pixels. What puts me off is the reflective finish. I can live with it on a 13" MacBook, but I'd find it impossible on that sort of siz…

> What puts me off is the reflective finish. Apple sells stick-on "de-glossing" film. The one I bought works fairly well.

Interesting, how hard is it to apply without bubbles on such a huge screen? I think I need to see this somewhere in person before dropping any money on it. I've never seen this applied on any of the exhibit models in shops, so that could be tricky. Would you mind taking some photos from a couple angles and uploading them, google images isn't giving me joy? Thanks.
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