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Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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post #79

Note: Windows 10 on Pi 2 will be an IoT platform, not a desktop OS. You'll develop your app in Visual Studio on a Windows PC and deploy it to the Pi. Raspbian will continue to be the main supported OS. - Ben from Raspberry Pi

I think you need to make that clearer on the webpage judging by the other replies in this thread...

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conceptually, it's just like Windows 8 can run both on a desktop as well as a Lumia phone. I'm not sure whether they actually share parts of the codebase (like the linux kernel does), or it's just some common UI elements like tiles + shared brand name on top of wildly different kernels.

In fact they use the NT-Kernel for Windows Phone as well. [1] http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-windows-phone-8-fina...

That is indeed very informative, thanks!

"...the Windows Phone OS will include the same file system (NTFS), same networking stack, same security elements, graphics engine (DirectX), device driver framework and hardware abstraction layer (HAL) as big Windows."

I hadn't realized they share so much. If this statement holds true for the upcoming Windows 10, then it's probably the very first time DirectX is running on any SBC. I wonder if Broadcom have made some changes to VideoCore GPU to support DirectX.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#103
I had (optimistically) predicted the way to to ARM desktops was with Steam and gamers coming over to Linux and the majority of code bases being more portable they could cross-compile games to Linux on ARM.

But this could work too!

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#104
I had (optimistically) predicted the way to to ARM desktops was with Steam and gamers coming over to Linux and the majority of code bases being more portable they could cross-compile games to Linux on ARM.

But this could work too!

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#105
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now, while legally, you are perfectly right, Windows is as close as ever, it's not actually that hard to look under the hood. I work as a Windows device driver developer, and sometimes I need to reverse engineer some of the internals, and the source code from WRK is easily available on the internet : ( http://gate.upm.ro/os/LABs/Windows_OS_Internals_Curriculum_R... ). These are sources from 2005-2006 timeframe, but t…

> http://gate.upm.ro/os/LABs/Windows_OS_Internals_Curriculum_R... Oh my. Aaaaand, mirrored. There's also this, which seems about the same level of should-this-actually-be-publicly-available: https://github.com/njdragonfly/WinNT4

Wait, someone put the (partially-)leaked NT4 src on github of all places? DMCA takedown from MS in 3...2..1...

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#106
post #79

Note: Windows 10 on Pi 2 will be an IoT platform, not a desktop OS. You'll develop your app in Visual Studio on a Windows PC and deploy it to the Pi. Raspbian will continue to be the main supported OS. - Ben from Raspberry Pi

Thanks for the clarification!

You've rendered much of the debate here totally moot with just a couple sentences. *High five. :)

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#107
post #31

I personally want a trimmed down version of .NET (perhaps the new Core CLR which is just 10 MB) so I can run F#. Mono is too heavy and have millions other dependencies I dont want to grab. Running a modern & practical functional language on RB Pi will be extremely joyful for me.

fsharp on Ubuntu with Mono dependencies:

  sudo apt-get install fsharp
  [...]
  Need to get 22.2 MB of archives.
  After this operation, 66.0 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Personally, I wouldn't call that heavy.

Remember that the 10MB figure for CoreCLR you give is just for the runtime alone, it doesn't include any class libraries. The Mono runtime is in the same ballpark.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#108

I am usually not the one to blow the free software horn (being a staunch believer of non-copyleft licenses such as the Apache License) and the geek in me likes this announcement. I also don't hold a grudge against Windows, I think it is a fine system for most people. However, Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves. Althou…

Raspberry Pi 2 actually seems suited great for Windows 10 as Raspberry Pi is not a true open source device(Broadcom proprietary blobs abound).

Most importantly Raspberry Pi is a friendly device which managed to really manage the market(press/public) perception just right despite the delays and early failures.

Same goes for Windows 10, definitely not open but friendly and the price is right in this case.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#109
I wonder what the redistribution license will look like. Most stuff I've used a pi for have been "copy image to flash card, install flash card, boot and run" not running apt-get or make install type commands from the console. (I'm installing an octoprint box this week, sometime, bye bye repetier-host) Historically microsoft has been a little displeased with people redistributing their software.

Another issue little discussed is the intense PR campaign that it's only useful for education despite it being a pretty good generic appliance. I've never used one for education and have zero contact with that small subculture. Most pi users are using it as a low power small solid state replacement for "pull that old used desktop and slap linux on it" I wonder how the PR campaign that its an educational device will be enforced at the OS level, perhaps a watchdog timer will reboot it every hour or it'll be DRMed to heck and back requiring signatures for all executable software or who knows what could be implemented to ruin it for hobbyists without significantly impacting the edu market.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

#110

I am usually not the one to blow the free software horn (being a staunch believer of non-copyleft licenses such as the Apache License) and the geek in me likes this announcement. I also don't hold a grudge against Windows, I think it is a fine system for most people. However, Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves. Althou…

libc is a particularly bad example, actually, because the sources for it are even included with VS. Whether you actually want to look at the horrors of printf is another question, though.
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