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What Doesn't Seem Like Work?

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Re: What Doesn't Seem Like Work?

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Funny he used the example of popping zits as something that most people don't enjoy. I rather enjoy popping a nice juicy zit on the occasion that I get one - it's quite cathartic. I wonder if I can make a career of it.

I think you misread it, it sounds like he's saying people like popping zips but they don't volunteer that information.

Re: What Doesn't Seem Like Work?

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post #38

This excerpt - "what he really liked was solving problems. The text of each chapter was just some advice about solving them. He said that as soon as he got a new textbook he'd immediately work out all the problems—to the slight annoyance of his teacher, since the class was supposed to work through the book gradually." is literally me. I did that. Every year at my school I did exactly that. Once I actually turned in m…

I remember my biology teacher being mad that I read the whole book in a weekend.

Isn't it essentially a isomorphism of Schlep blindness?

Re: What Doesn't Seem Like Work?

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post #74

Personally, I experienced this with programming. When I learned to program in high school, it never struck me as a chore; it was always just interesting and I enjoyed it. However, I think the only reason I was able to enjoy learning programming was because of how adept I already was with computers as a "power user", because it gave me the physical skills and conceptual underpinnings required to appreciate the field.…

I don't always agree with Mark Cuban, but I think he makes a good point on this when he talks about the folly in the adage, "follow your passions." His point is that you should follow your efforts as that leads you to be better at something, which in turn grows your passions in it. You can read his words for yourself: http://blogmaverick.com/2012/03/18/dont-follow-your-passion-... .

Even if you do not have any 'passion' for a field, I think it is important to have some kind of strong intrinsic motivation; to help people, to further Humanity's knowledge, or whatever else. Practice for the sake of practice is incredibly hard to maintain.

Re: What Doesn't Seem Like Work?

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i was a physics major, too. the student in our year who was best at math had trouble with the "hand wavy" stuff we'd do. "well, this term is basically zero, so we'll just remove it" and then she'd pull her hair in frustration, like "how can you just do that? how is it still valid?" it wasn't enough to tell her "well it still gives us the valid results" - she had to be able to interpret every portion of an expression…

"well, this term is basically zero, so we'll just remove it" and then she'd pull her hair in frustration, like "how can you just do that? how is it still valid?" I've tried to teach friends with that hangup and found it difficult. Those people weren't good at math, though. I feel like with mathematicians, you should just be able to explain with limits.

> I feel like with mathematicians, you should just be able to explain with limits.

Assuming the limit exists without actually proving the sequence converges is going to produce total junk. Jaynes spent a good portion of Probability Theory illustrating this.

Re: What Doesn't Seem Like Work?

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Math is certainly required to understand the theory and to synthesize experimental observations into a working model, but I wouldn't put it at more than 50-60%. Most of the math is fairly basic relatively speaking, even at the highest levels of physics.

Relative to what lol. What other applied field has more advanced math?

Economics and quantitative finance.

Re: What Doesn't Seem Like Work?

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I've made a similar argument for a long time. About my fifth choice job coming out of academia was from an interview in which I was told that 90% of my job would be drudgery, but the same was true for everybody, even the CEO. So I decided that careers were not just about passions, but also about what you didn't hate.

I don't mind writing. I don't mind public speaking. I don't mind grappling with tough problems. I don't mind working alone. I don't mind being indoors.

I do mind physical labor. I do mind cold calling. I do mind having to worry a lot about people's feelings.

If you have different preferences from mine, then you probably should also be in a different line work.

Re: What Doesn't Seem Like Work?

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"well, this term is basically zero, so we'll just remove it" and then she'd pull her hair in frustration, like "how can you just do that? how is it still valid?" I've tried to teach friends with that hangup and found it difficult. Those people weren't good at math, though. I feel like with mathematicians, you should just be able to explain with limits.

> I feel like with mathematicians, you should just be able to explain with limits. Assuming the limit exists without actually proving the sequence converges is going to produce total junk. Jaynes spent a good portion of Probability Theory illustrating this.

I'm just talking about using the concept of limits as a teaching tool, not assuming a particular limit exists.

Re: What Doesn't Seem Like Work?

#108

The question is : Is that hardwired or is programmable? I discovered early in my life that by changing the perspective of a problem you could transform something dull and tedious into something exciting and highly interesting. For example , when I learned to visualize mathematical problems I become much better at solving them. Mindmaps, and memory tools can make someone who struggle(and suffers as for example when he…

I enjoy debugging, and don't believe anything you claim. Anyone I know that enjoys it doesn't believe it either. What you write is pretty offensive actually. Its like me saying you liking programming means you run around deleting everyone's software because it would let you program more.

Re: What Doesn't Seem Like Work?

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As (failed) physics major, it sounds so strange to hear someone claim to be good at math but not physics. To me physics is 98% math. It's a few empirical facts from experiments and then bucketloads of math.

Physics is applied math and I think that is an important distinction.

^ This. I ended up majoring in pure mathematics as an undergraduate after finding out that applied mathematics courses had too much material to memorize after finding out that physics courses had too much material to memorize. Pure math was so much easier.

Re: What Doesn't Seem Like Work?

#110

What if the idea of work itself is what you dislike? There are plenty of activities I can enjoy, and some, quite a few of them in fact, are profitable. Once you shoe-horn them into the power dynamic situation of a traditional job (with the bureaucracy that entails unless you're dealing with Actual People as opposed to corporations), suddenly a lot of the luster disappears. As a ridiculous example - I enjoy reading. I…

Anytime I read one of those "just do what you're passionate about!" posts, or job postings that read like "we're looking for people who are passionate about [thing that literally no-one has ever been passionate about]" I try to think whether there's anything whatsoever that I'd enjoy (let alone stay passionate about) doing (at least) 40 hours a week, 49ish weeks a year.

I haven't thought of anything yet.

Left to my own devices, I'd probably spend 100 hours one week programming, then not touch a computer for two or three weeks, reading or building something or doing stuff outdoors instead. Lock me down to 40 hours every week, even weeks when I'm not in to it and would rather curl up on the couch for hours on end with some math books and a notebook or marathon-watch some Criterion movies or go camping with my family or whatever, and any fun I was having in those 40 hours will disappear fast.

It doesn't matter if the thing I'm clocking in to do is play video games of my choice and in the way that I choose, even—I'll be ready to not look at a video game for the next year within a matter of weeks.

That's not to say that I consider all work equally bad, but I'm probably not going to love anything at 40+ mandatory hours every week. The only way I can imagine enjoying that many hours on the clock is by splitting it between at least two very different things, like programming 4 hours/day then carrying heavy stuff at a construction site the next 4 hours, and even that might not do it over the long haul.

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