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How Paul Graham Is Wrong

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Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

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If my business pays for a great programmer, I want that programmer's knowledge, experience and attitude to diffuse to the rest of my team (... not that I have a business, just sayin' :-). Much harder to do this if that great programmer isn't in the office.

In my eight years' remote working experience, your statement is false.

What he is saying is that it is harder, not impossible.

Are you saying that remote work is as good if not better than being physically-located?

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

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For entry-level people, I've really found an office helps with mentoring and culture assimilation in a way that fully-remote cannot even remotely reach.

I still don't feel there's any reason you need to physically exist in the Bay area though. Open an office somewhere that's both attractive and affordable for people to live and you enable the best of both worlds.

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

#103
The problem with this argument is that it lumps all versions of "Remote" together, but that's not really true. There's a huge difference between the guy who is remote because he has a long commute, vs the guy who is remote because he lives on the east coast, vs the guy who is remote because he's in china or london.

The common theme of all that is: timezones matter a lot. It's hard to collaborate with someone really far away because they'll tend to be asleep when you're awake. Programmers like async communication for a lot of reasons, but real-time is important too.

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"A lot of startups have ambitious goals and very hard technical challenges" And those companies aren't billion dollar companies either. "All those teleconferencing/videoconferencing/virtualwhiteboards/etc are not as effective as everyone sharing the same physical workspace" But they're more effective than those people not working together at all. "Remote workers even with today's fanciest collaboration technology is…

Videoconferencing sucks -- it's not as effective as having your coworker come over to your screen for pair programming, or talking face-to-face with your UXer. Anyone who has done any amount of remote work will realize that the OP is dramatically overstating the value of teleconferencing solutions compared to working in house.

You know what else sucks? Driving in to an office for pointless meetings to take up half your day. Getting sucked in to office politics whether you like it or not. All those things suck.

I think you're underestimating the degree to which day to day office crap weighs on people and makes them far less effective than they might otherwise be, even if they get to have someone come over and "pair" with them.

Remote working is an approach that really needs to be embraced by the entire company, and refined over time to match the needs and skills of the team as they change. Some people need more one on one time, some need more group time, maybe you do some face to face meetings quarterly instead of annually. It's not a one-size fits all, but nothing (including f2f office work) is.

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Automattic "employees" outside of the US and Canada are contractors. (I used to work at Automattic)

This is no longer accurate. Some remain "contractors" still officially due to regulatory issues, but we now have employees in multiple locations outside North America. And that list of locations is growing. (I work at Automattic)

Figured this was the case but assumed it didn't changed the gist of the answer too much. tl;dr actually employing people in other countries is difficult

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

#106
It's all been tried and people know the tradeoffs, and there are tradeoffs no matter what you might think. The drive and culture that can develop when a small focused team spends every waking hour together can become almost cult-like. This culture is what VCs want to foment. It's also why they like hiring 22 year olds that can be more impressionable.

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

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post #99
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Harder problems than the Linux kernel? I've been remote for eight years now and I work on a codebase so huge that no one person understands it all beneath the 10,000 foot level. Nearly all of us are remote (only the managers are "local" to San Jose). Once a quarter we get together and meet up, coming from Vancouver, Toronto, Bangalore, Colorado and northern California.

> the Linux kernel? Although it's insanely technically challenging, many computer science projects are more difficult than the Linux kernel to do remotely. For example, watching users interact with the software, anything that involves expensive test equipment, anything that runs on embedded/custom hardware.

Because no one has ever run the linux kernel on embedded/custom hardware?

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

#109

Programmers, if they have a choice, like remote or at least some remote. Managers + VCs, if they have a choice, prefer all in the office so they can keep power but this actually makes them less competitive and more susceptible to physical disruptions: moving an office, an employee moving, time, office politics, commute, distractions, over meeting and more. The PG essay on this was glaringly overlooking that you can b…

there's a pretty big difference between "remote" and "some remote".

No bigger than the difference between "in the office" and "some remote"

Re: How Paul Graham Is Wrong

#110
I would love to have remote work, but I am honestly unsure about whether I'm good enough at my job to enjoy it. My concern isn't with performing my current job, but every promotion/job change I've had has been because of the things I learned in some free time from somebody sitting next to me. It's so nice to be able to wander over to a smart person and ask about some random problem I've been having in an area in which they're an expert. I have no doubt I learn more in an office than I would in my living room.

...then again, that's probably why remote workers say they're more productive.

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