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Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by psykovsky »

guipsp wrote: post #80
wingless wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SJWs infiltrating every single group on earth instead of voicing their opinions in groups related to their cause.

...what?

SJW Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Y Combinators' Hacker News and Reddit. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.

#1: A social justice warrior reads an essay about a form of internal misogyny where women and girls insult stereotypical feminine activities and characteristics in order to boost themselves over other women.

The SJW absorbs this and later complains in response to a Huffington Post article about a 10-year-old feminist's letter, because the 10-year-old called the color pink "prissy".

#2: Commenter: "I don't like getting manicures. It's too prissy."

SJW: "Oh my god, how fucking dare you use that word, you disgusting sexist piece of shit!"

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by api »

dil8 wrote: post #99
api wrote: post #93

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Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. I can't see any way to stop this stuff short of stopping everything else, but it irks me that we make heroes out of jerks who are basically just operating plagiarist click-mills. KimDotCom falls into the same category. These people are on a lower tier than scummy domain squatters and spammers. Want to lionize someone as a freedom fighter? Try someone like Linus Torvalds, or Daniel J.…

I disagree... Sharing has been part humanity since the dawn of the human race. It is just easier to share things with more people now.

That's a variant of "information wants to be free," which is an argument from the naturalistic fallacy.

The question isn't "what's natural" or "what's easy." It's "what benefits the human condition?"

Do we want a culture where artists can make careers out of creating great art, or do we want a culture where there's no money in that so it doesn't get done by anyone except trust fund kids and people who are willing to take a vow of extreme poverty?

In most societies since the dawn of the human race, 99.9% have lived in hardscrabble poverty while <0.1% own virtually everything. Seems to me that the culture of "free" is -- a bit ironically -- taking us back there by destroying all revenue streams except those based on winner-take-all mass content aggregation. It might be the path of least resistance and it might be "natural," but it is not desirable.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

#103

Post by jfoutz »

api wrote: post #76
hasenj wrote: post #48

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Technicalities aside. They're still making money by helping people "pirate" stuff. Assuming ads on their site do actually generate revenue, and that revenue gets forwarded to them. Though I kinda expect the average piratebay user to have adblock installed.

Exactly. They may or may not have actually broken the law, but they are certainly in spirit a service that makes money through the unauthorized monetization of other peoples' works against the wishes of those works' creators. Even if it doesn't make them criminals, it certainly makes them assholes. It's already hard enough to make a living as an artist, musician, etc. without being kneecapped by opportunists. We've g…

> I don't understand why there's so much sympathy for industrial-scale piracy

Most distribution channels make it SO MUCH HARDER to do the right thing vs grabbing a torrent. Steam has its problems, but that was the first commercial distribution channel that seemed to generate a ton of loyalty. What Steam provided was objectively better than the hassle and danger of finding a random binary.

Now days, I stick to iTunes and Netflix for movies. If it's not there, i'm not watching. If the artist isn't big enough to cut a deal with apple they may as well not exist. I'm not really sure which is better.

That's kind of a shame, because i'm willing to spend a little money to watch stuff. But i'm not willing to screw around searching for your work, then installing some ridiculous player software. I'll just go do something else instead.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

#104

Post by Cakez0r »

draugadrotten wrote: post #14
Joona wrote: post #10

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I'm pretty sure you can actually download the magnet links as an archive, which shouldn't be too big either.

Could the magnet links be distributed by adding them to dummy transactions using the BitCoin "coinbase" blockchain method?

Curious about this too.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

#105

Post by jeltz »

gcb0 wrote: post #62
draugadrotten wrote: post #47

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It's a common mistake by techies to think that technical details make a difference in (Swedish) court. They don't. Technical details are rarely important in Swedish court, where the court is free to consider all evidence, even if it's obtained illegally or just is weird. So called "technical evidence" is rarely "technical" for techies. It's often just HTTP logfile print-outs or a screen shot of a file sharing program…

now explain how that is different from anywhere in the world...

That Swedish courts do not have to worry about how evidence is obtained. It can always be used.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by baddox »

draugadrotten wrote: post #47
mrkickling wrote: post #32

The organisation that reported Thepiratebay and therefore is the reason for this raid is called Rättighetsalliansen (The Alliance of Rights). The Alliance of Rights is the same organisation as The Anti Pirate Bureau but with a new name. This is what they say on their website (roughly translated): "The police raided The Pirate Bay today inside an Internet company in the Stockholm region. Rättighetsalliansen is behind…

It's a common mistake by techies to think that technical details make a difference in (Swedish) court. They don't. Technical details are rarely important in Swedish court, where the court is free to consider all evidence, even if it's obtained illegally or just is weird. So called "technical evidence" is rarely "technical" for techies. It's often just HTTP logfile print-outs or a screen shot of a file sharing program…

> It's a common mistake by techies to think that technical details make a difference in (Swedish) court.

Or, you could say that it's a common mistake by courts to think that technical details shouldn't matter.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

#107

Post by baddox »

LLWM wrote: post #72
hasenj wrote: post #48

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Technicalities aside. They're still making money by helping people "pirate" stuff. Assuming ads on their site do actually generate revenue, and that revenue gets forwarded to them. Though I kinda expect the average piratebay user to have adblock installed.

Whether they are making money doesn't matter. Crimes aren't suddenly legal just because you do them for reasons besides profit. Otherwise the only murderers in jail would be professional assassins.

> Crimes aren't suddenly legal just because you do them for reasons besides profit.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that. But, at least in US law, there is a major distinction between commercial and non-commercial copyright infringement. Both are illegal, of course, but they are treated very differently.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

#108

Post by mordocai »

api wrote: post #102
dil8 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree... Sharing has been part humanity since the dawn of the human race. It is just easier to share things with more people now.

That's a variant of "information wants to be free," which is an argument from the naturalistic fallacy. The question isn't "what's natural" or "what's easy." It's "what benefits the human condition?" Do we want a culture where artists can make careers out of creating great art, or do we want a culture where there's no money in that so it doesn't get done by anyone except trust fund kids and people who are willing to…

You seem to think there are only two options: Piracy and artists living in poverty, or no piracy and artists not living in poverty.

Personally, how I want things to be is that authors freely release their content and still make a nice living. That's not necessarily natural and certainly not easy but you asked how I want things to be.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by baddox »

gargantian wrote: post #83
api wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. They may or may not have actually broken the law, but they are certainly in spirit a service that makes money through the unauthorized monetization of other peoples' works against the wishes of those works' creators. Even if it doesn't make them criminals, it certainly makes them assholes. It's already hard enough to make a living as an artist, musician, etc. without being kneecapped by opportunists. We've g…

Times change, and technology changes value. Scored music "screwed" street performers, then recordings "screwed" concert performers, then the internet "screwed" recording artists. Plenty of artists have successfully adapted and are doing great. Others have sheltered behind curators and promoters like labels. Others have failed to deliver what people want and they are screwed. That's capitalism at work. I don't underst…

> Plenty of artists have successfully adapted and are doing great.

Exactly. The artists that have adapted are the ones whose art is actually valuable, rather than artists who work with the people who control distribution channels. Distribution channels are a lot more prone to disruption than creators of art.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by api »

mordocai wrote: post #108
api wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a variant of "information wants to be free," which is an argument from the naturalistic fallacy. The question isn't "what's natural" or "what's easy." It's "what benefits the human condition?" Do we want a culture where artists can make careers out of creating great art, or do we want a culture where there's no money in that so it doesn't get done by anyone except trust fund kids and people who are willing to…

You seem to think there are only two options: Piracy and artists living in poverty, or no piracy and artists not living in poverty. Personally, how I want things to be is that authors freely release their content and still make a nice living. That's not necessarily natural and certainly not easy but you asked how I want things to be.

That'd be wonderful. Find a way to make that happen and you'll be rich and famous.

In any case, people who make money on the backs of other peoples' work explicitly against their will are still assholes.

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