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Re: Nature makes all articles free to view

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Post by collyw »

p4bl0 wrote: post #96
therzathegza wrote: post #79

For those not in the know, Nature is THE journal to be in if you want to be successful in bioscience. It is peer reviewed, fairly exclusive, and they generally only publish game changer style science. If you are in science, and you get a first author Nature paper, your ticket is punched and you are about to have a moderately successful career. For all the nitpicking going on about the delivery method, searching, and…

First, I would like to point out that Nature is indeed considered "THE journal" by those who give importance to bibliometrics criteria (which imho is foolish), but it's really not clear that its quality is that good. For instance take this study which finds that Nature has one of the most important retractation rate: http://iai.asm.org/content/79/10/3855.full.pdf+html . > (…) will largely not matter to scientists. Pl…

Like it or not, publishing in Nature will give you an advantage over almost any other journal. Maybe it isn't the best way to judge a scientist, but it is a shortcut for many who will be employing them.

Re: Nature makes all articles free to view

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Post by betatim »

chbrown wrote: post #60

My institution subscribes to Nature, and using my library's proxy to access the Nature website, I can use the "Share/bookmark" menu to generate links like http://rdcu.be/bKk4 , http://rdcu.be/bKlc , http://rdcu.be/bKld , and http://rdcu.be/bKli , which can be viewed in the browser (or maybe only because I also just installed the ReadCube app?). The articles linked to above span several months, but it's generating ser…

Regarding the creation of the links to read the articles. For me the readcube link is just made from the DOI you get on the public webpage. It is so simple that I even wrote a little bookmarklet to do it: https://betatim.github.io/posts/read-any-nature-paper-for-fr...

For example for http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/natu... the readcube link is simply http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038/nature14015

It seems too easy? What am I missing?

Re: Nature makes all articles free to view

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Post by p4bl0 »

collyw wrote: post #101
p4bl0 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, I would like to point out that Nature is indeed considered "THE journal" by those who give importance to bibliometrics criteria (which imho is foolish), but it's really not clear that its quality is that good. For instance take this study which finds that Nature has one of the most important retractation rate: http://iai.asm.org/content/79/10/3855.full.pdf+html . > (…) will largely not matter to scientists. Pl…

Like it or not, publishing in Nature will give you an advantage over almost any other journal. Maybe it isn't the best way to judge a scientist, but it is a shortcut for many who will be employing them.

I'm not denying that. It's a fact. My point is that it is a very sad truth. I wanted to recall that bibliometrics is something that, as researchers, we have to fight against. For this reason I prefer to explain that although it is a fact that publishing in Nature gives you a big career advantage in academia, it's nonetheless important to be critical about this fact.

Re: Nature makes all articles free to view

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Post by refurb »

eru wrote: post #43
tjradcliffe wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A great deal of research funded by such organizations is done in combination with taxpayer funding, particularly with regard to infrastructure. As a cancer researcher I had funding from companies and foundations, but depended on my position in a tax-payer funded research lab to actually do the work.

Also, as charities they probably get tax advantages.

By that measure, everything is gov't funded. Thankfully the courts don't see it that way.

Re: Nature makes all articles free to view

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Post by betatim »

betatim wrote: post #102
chbrown wrote: post #60

My institution subscribes to Nature, and using my library's proxy to access the Nature website, I can use the "Share/bookmark" menu to generate links like http://rdcu.be/bKk4 , http://rdcu.be/bKlc , http://rdcu.be/bKld , and http://rdcu.be/bKli , which can be viewed in the browser (or maybe only because I also just installed the ReadCube app?). The articles linked to above span several months, but it's generating ser…

Regarding the creation of the links to read the articles. For me the readcube link is just made from the DOI you get on the public webpage. It is so simple that I even wrote a little bookmarklet to do it: https://betatim.github.io/posts/read-any-nature-paper-for-fr... For example for http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/natu... the readcube link is simply http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038/na…

Conclusion, I forgot to turn off my VPN at some point when testing the resulting link. If you are not at CERN (like me) it will just show a preview :(

If you want to learn about graphene's amazing properties go ahead and read the paper here: http://rdcu.be/bKud

Re: Nature makes all articles free to view

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Post by Nicholas_C »

thejosh wrote: post #18
Nicholas_C wrote: post #9

Off topic: Why is this article dated December 2nd? It is still December 1st everywhere in the United States. Perhaps it was published after normal business hours on the 1st, thus defaulting to the 2nd as the official date? Just curious.

Because maybe the internet is global and not every site on the internet is US time?

I assumed Nature is a US publication. Oops.

Re: Nature makes all articles free to view

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Post by Nicholas_C »

mkonecny wrote: post #27
Nicholas_C wrote: post #9

Off topic: Why is this article dated December 2nd? It is still December 1st everywhere in the United States. Perhaps it was published after normal business hours on the 1st, thus defaulting to the 2nd as the official date? Just curious.

The internet doesn't exist solely in the US. It spans GMT -5 through GMT -8. There are countries that are up to 16 hours ahead in time..

I assumed Nature was a US publication. Oops.

Re: Nature makes all articles free to view

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Post by Retric »

p4bl0 wrote: post #96
therzathegza wrote: post #79

For those not in the know, Nature is THE journal to be in if you want to be successful in bioscience. It is peer reviewed, fairly exclusive, and they generally only publish game changer style science. If you are in science, and you get a first author Nature paper, your ticket is punched and you are about to have a moderately successful career. For all the nitpicking going on about the delivery method, searching, and…

First, I would like to point out that Nature is indeed considered "THE journal" by those who give importance to bibliometrics criteria (which imho is foolish), but it's really not clear that its quality is that good. For instance take this study which finds that Nature has one of the most important retractation rate: http://iai.asm.org/content/79/10/3855.full.pdf+html . > (…) will largely not matter to scientists. Pl…

While this sounds bad it's probably a sign of the amount of scrutiny Nature articles are under not the Quality of what's published. Basically, the rate of detection is higher in Nature so even if the underlying problem is the same or even less it’s going to look worse.

Re: Nature makes all articles free to view

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Post by chbrown »

Perseids wrote: post #100
chbrown wrote: post #60

My institution subscribes to Nature, and using my library's proxy to access the Nature website, I can use the "Share/bookmark" menu to generate links like http://rdcu.be/bKk4 , http://rdcu.be/bKlc , http://rdcu.be/bKld , and http://rdcu.be/bKli , which can be viewed in the browser (or maybe only because I also just installed the ReadCube app?). The articles linked to above span several months, but it's generating ser…

Do you actually get a pure HTML5 reader on any of your links? For me, each of them requires flash: "To view this page in ReadCube Web Reader ensure that Adobe Flash Player version 10.0.0 or greater is installed."

I do. I block Flash in Firefox (v33.1), and it works in Firefox. Chrome (v38.0...) might have some Flash on it somewhere, but it's mostly HTML.

Re: Nature makes all articles free to view

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Post by p4bl0 »

Retric wrote: post #108
p4bl0 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, I would like to point out that Nature is indeed considered "THE journal" by those who give importance to bibliometrics criteria (which imho is foolish), but it's really not clear that its quality is that good. For instance take this study which finds that Nature has one of the most important retractation rate: http://iai.asm.org/content/79/10/3855.full.pdf+html . > (…) will largely not matter to scientists. Pl…

While this sounds bad it's probably a sign of the amount of scrutiny Nature articles are under not the Quality of what's published. Basically, the rate of detection is higher in Nature so even if the underlying problem is the same or even less it’s going to look worse.

Indeed. I don't think anyone is saying that the high retractation rate implies that Nature paper are worse than other papers. However it is a sign that they may not be that much better either.
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