The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius • Hacker News Board

Re: The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius

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Post by arkj » Tue, Nov 11, 2014, 8:30 AM UTC

Luc wrote: post #82

geofft wrote: post #80

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> However, one of the things most people here don't do is use HN as a convenient platform to push their beliefs at every possible occasion. I find that claim implausible... I see a lot of beliefs being pushed, like "Startup culture is great" or "Startup culture is awful" or "Those people should have a better security response story" or "Don't use tables for layout" or "MAC-then-encrypt is a mistake". I would expect t…

Perhaps I wasn't 100% clear. 'Pushing beliefs' is, I'm quite sure, commonly understood to be about religious beliefs, which are of a different class than 'belief' in CSS being superior to HTML tables. Proselytism on HN should not be okay. This is not something you'd want to leave to up and down votes, in my opinion.

We all "push" beliefs, don't we? what else can humans do? After all michaelsbradley didn't ask you to be a christian or something like that; he just pointed out another resource, those who wish to read it may do so, there is no need to pick on him for this. Now you might say I'm "pushing" my belief, maybe rightly. In a sense all comments are at some deeper level are 'beliefs'. Personally I've found links to "different" views on HN threads pretty interesting, I may not buy the argument, but it's good to know.

Re: The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius

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Post by Luc » Tue, Nov 11, 2014, 1:03 PM UTC

arkj wrote: post #101

Luc wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps I wasn't 100% clear. 'Pushing beliefs' is, I'm quite sure, commonly understood to be about religious beliefs, which are of a different class than 'belief' in CSS being superior to HTML tables. Proselytism on HN should not be okay. This is not something you'd want to leave to up and down votes, in my opinion.

We all "push" beliefs, don't we? what else can humans do? After all michaelsbradley didn't ask you to be a christian or something like that; he just pointed out another resource, those who wish to read it may do so, there is no need to pick on him for this. Now you might say I'm "pushing" my belief, maybe rightly. In a sense all comments are at some deeper level are 'beliefs'. Personally I've found links to "differen…

> We all "push" beliefs, don't we? what else can humans do?

Just like the previous poster, you water down what I meant by 'pushing' and 'belief' so it becomes downright reasonable to do it.

This is a systematic approach by him to advocate his religion every opportunity he gets.

Re: The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius

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Post by VexXtreme » Fri, Nov 14, 2014, 3:58 AM UTC

crpatino wrote: post #97

super_mario wrote: post #94

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Nice attempt at distraction. But you see I don't need to know the answer to that question (nor do I need to know everything) to know the correct answer isn't bronze ramblings of goat herders who got everything about the natural world wrong and who invented the concept of god to explain the world they misunderstood and feared in the first place. The only question worth asking is if Christianity and religion in general…

This is a extremely long rant that seems to mix together tautologies, unexamined beliefs, either logical impossibilities or downright falsehoods with lots a lots of anger. I will rather be polite and say that I am not interested in keep going further with this discussion. But if you ever find yourself in need to examine your world view please consider the following: > And isn't it incredibly stupid of a supreme, inte…

You didn't really address anything he said; instead you resorted to name-calling and disengaging from the conversation. I always see this from religious people when their beliefs are challenged in a coherent, logical manner. You can't logically reconcile the truth about the nature of this universe with your irrational belief system, so you typically just say the other party is wrong and either attack them or completely disengage. I guess you really cannot prove to an irrational person that they are being irrational and deluded.